"Unserious" nature of the Liberators is such a false statement that it only shows distaste against our group without any reasoning other than the fact that we have changed the status quo of the server, which people tend to cause a lot of trouble as the status quo is harmed, shown by many occasions on this server.
Rebel plays shooting loyalists in bad faith is hardly a change from status quo. See: Agatha Doe's PK
The Liberators did not do a Mass-RDM attack on the Loyalist event, the aim was not to kill the random citizens but rather every cop, MCP, or CCA we came across. It was an assasination. Yes, stuff did go other way but the goal was achieved, out of the many rebels that was in there room the goal was a success.
It is your group is it not? The burden falls upon you for cultivating such a terrible 'expression of roleplay'.
You have your choice of roleplays, same as others. You cannot insult my Bear because Plumber insulted his character due to not knowing the detailed background of the character which I will not state, due to the fact that it is a knowledge you can learn ICly if people try to roleplay with us instead of hating on us OOCly 24/7.
How are we supposed to roleplay with you, exactly? Sorry but, the Loyalist Faction's only experience roleplaying with your beloved
'Bear' is through a aurafarming jackboot through the skull written in a misspelled /me.
Fully wrong. We are not roleplay sinkholes nor we do shooting to kill only, the people who claim that are the same people who disliked this group since its formation OOCly, and they are the loud minority that keeps claiming we do not roleplay and we are only S2K-hungry players. That is completely false and fully slander. Some of our members are not the prime pinnacle of roleplay, but that doesn't mean they don't. They just roleplay different and sometimes worse than most, which absolutely does not give ANYONE the right to slander my players.
The first thing I saw when that Suitcase incident occurred but a week ago was how it should've been the Liberators as opposed to 'The Front'; the only people seemingly interested in roleplaying. The 11/9 Junktown charade was an example of actual roleplayers (not you) getting attacked by S2K players (mostly members of your faction on another character all things considered)
And- I do have the right to express my 'slander' towards your players. Your beloved players just thrashed MY Beloved player's attempt at roleplay. So, yeah, I think I am well within my rights to question "Who's in the wrong" here.
By the way, let's not forget that time *you* started a JW 3 days into the event and (rightfully) resigned for it.
The rebels are encouraged to do guerilla warfare, in a world where Rebel Deployment Limits were needed, it would be a world where 2 shotcops happened in a day, which would be total war, the rebels do not do any attacks without ensuring the safety of their own, which is gained with numbers.
Guerilla warfare such as: skimming a crime check to attack what may as well be a 'Capitol Building' in the middle of the day. Yeah, no. You lost any notions of 'Guerilla Warfare' the second you blew the head off a an i5 issued a USP with an AR2.
Contrary to what Armenian Union says; you are NOT the 'underdogs'. The Rebel Faction as a whole is, in fact, EXTREMELY OVERPOWERED compared to the Combine faction.
Limit the deployments done by the "opposing faction" as you stated, then it would be sensible. The constat shadow sweeps done by CPs and OTA would be killing the rebel faction, you would want that probably.
I want an end to the S2K-CVR fest - including that done by OTA-ers in their relentless, mindless running into the Leman Harbor.
The server is designed like this, we do passive roleplay within the Resistance and we have to conduct armed operations that includes gunning down important targets (CPs, HVTs, OTA, Synthetics) to improve the standing of the Resistance on the "would Rebels win or Combine" scale. You are oblivious to the fact that all these are rewarded according to the rules and we have done nothing but progress our attempts on LIBERATING, yes it did kill some people. But this server has PKs, I personally lost three or four characters of my own which I loved dearly. I accepted it.
Don't turn this into a "Just accept the PK anyway brah.. it happens!".
Yeah, the server is currently designed like this....
This is also the FIRST TIME I am EVER hearing a member of the Liberators complain that it is like this.
We are the ones trying to fix this. Do not play the victim.
You absolutely have no right to insult Cocohop at all, you are no different than him as you kept harming the slummers by implementing anti-Resistance legislations and anti-Slum legislations, and you cannot tell me "it was forced to us!!" same thing happened to you with the MCP, but you went so far with them and even tried couping them. You simply accepted this change because you wanted it. You have shown clear distaste against rebel players in the past as seen by your messages in the underground server and the SecCon server. You have an OOC anti-rebel bias which you take it IC.
So are you trying to say that Cocochop has done no wrong or are you trying to say that Armenian holds OOC bias - *whilst simultaneously* saying they are no different from them.
Also, all of those legislations were *reactive*, by the way, mostly in part to Overwatch's inability to actually fight back.
Fun fact - we also tried *mending this* (still are, because unlike you we respect Slummers and want to try and fix problems where we can, even if stopped in our roleplay-tracks by 'The Liberators) by making that restriction only apply when Socio-Stability gets low enough.
You absolutely do not know the lore and the ideas of the Resistance group and I will not bother explaining you this. That was not minge yelling but the part of our roleplay as the Liberators. If you want an explanation find a Liberator ICly and ask them about Arceneaux, and spell his name right. That is the same "mistake" you stated we do for your name. And you can check our base in no clip for the posters for him.
Yeah yeah yeah, you guys met some Hyper-Republicans once or decided to do it to fool the combine. It doesn't change the fact it's just stupid and mingey to hear it shouted over the plaza by someone with a fake description for the 50th time.
I would like to give an honest example for this situation. This has happened yes, and there is no reversing it anymore. But was this any different than any witness sterilizations that Combine does after rebels do something to the city?
Yes, actually. It's completely different. At least when Civil Protection does it there's some valid reasoning. The best I've heard the Liberators give is "Well erm.. they were in... the nazi room.. and .... complicit!"
By the way, I'll say it again. Your friend Bravo who you invited OOCly to join the Liberators hours before the attack was just recently banned *for* his hand in the attack and Mass-RDMing those citizens so; yeah, I think it's different.
The Front was wiped because they were writing a /me for too long instead of hastily, their entire group was wiped and they were forced to start from zero because of this. And our /me's were not low-quality nor against the rules of the PK policy, as they were ALL WRITTEN on the spot with no "binds" as you falsely state with no evidence to back, they were enough and usable for executions during S2K.
Again, this is a fundamental problem. I myself see the problem with shit like this too and also do feel some pity towards the Front (unlike you and the Liberators), seeing as they were the only rebels to do any substantial passive (even if I don't like their form of it).
The Front is as much of a victim to this server's S2K-terror as we are to 'The Liberators'. Period.
Our goal is to enjoy the server while promoting roleplay, and if S2K is a way of promoting roleplay we will be doing so. As you stated, this will change the opinions of some citizens in-regards to the Resistance. Use that ICly, we did what we did, and we wish to feel the consequences.
No roleplay was stiffled, but modified to a different path that they have to take now due to the deaths, we are not "anti-roleplay" because we changed the path of your roleplay, that is how roleplay works. Not everything goes according to plan, does it now?
S2K shouldn't be a way of promoting roleplay. It's the lowest form of 'GMOD' there is. You're pressing W and clicking Mouse+1.
And yes - roleplay was 'Stiffled', you tried killing three members of CCA in the first loyalist event of the I24.. 'event'. As he put it...:
The plan happened normally, some members went out of their way from the plan but IC was IC. We will feel the consequences of such actions afterwards. I would like to also claim that witness sterilizations are Mass RDM since they also get NLR full refund after being killed. The people in that room were in support of the very same CCA who Liberators were trying to assasinate.
Witness Sterilizations are, yet again, both a last resort and *completely different*.
Why would they challenge us? But ask us to help them in situations that require armed support, and we can do the same for mechanical and technological operations. You were actively trying to instigate Brennen to turn against us OOCly for the past two days. I know exactly what you are trying to do OOC-wise, and it is absolutely not wise.
Judging by the interactions you two have had in the SeCon discord for the past day, I'm really not sure what you gain here beyond calling yourself out to be some Ultra-Machiavellian hypocrite.
The JW shouldn't even been called for a couple of cop deaths in the City. You would know better that the past precedences of JWs and AJWs were extremely enforced in 2023-2024, it all changed after the lack of regulation done on those. That JW shouldn't have happened at all at the first place. You cannot use that excuse for this reasoning.
*Resigns*
It is exactly what you would want. You want every Liberator character to be PK'd because of your OOC opinions. Which is saddening for someone in your position.
THEY WANT THE SAME FUCKING THING.
You have personally misspelled "Arceneaux" in your thread, which just shows you as a hypocrite, no offense. The /me's written during-after S2K situations are filled with adrenaline and they have to be written fast and with haste to avoid being shot during the S2K while writing a /me, you guys kept giving example of a member typing "Calloway" instead of Callaway and it is nothing major.
This shit shouldn't count as a Perma kill for a character.
Here are the screenshots of your insults that you have been throwing around for no reason against me, my group, my group's roleplay and my roleplay without giving any effort to interact with us ICly on any other character.
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@Curbalas, let's not forget your ragebaiting attitude you've maintained on the discord whilst celebrating PKs in DMs. So much so that several moderators have already had to intervene on your behalf so you didn't get yourself banned.
