Denied Replace the old Conscript models with the Enhanced Conscript models! (Arteria Arm)

[ShadoWiz4rd]

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WHY TO ADD IT?

1. It looks better, Is much much smoother.
2. The helmet is like the armor piece on the server so it can be issued and we can use gasmask's with it, It has a molle vest. There's a togglable armband that can be used for denoting Penal battalion units. Not to mention helmet covers.
3. The current models are ancient and we can't use any animations with them. It's not something that's game breaking but we'd look a lot more crisp and clean, Not to mention be able to have gasmask's with our combat kit.
4. And to address the female conscripts, There's no reason we can't say that the gasmask ones are ICLY Female or just keep the current one. And with these we should be able to at least use our animations.
5. The Enhanced models don't have blocky feet and the overall design is a lot more modern and overall is more visually pleasing.
6. Seeing as the Arteria Arm is likely going to appear more then once on the server it might be worth the time it'll take.
7. From an In-character standpoint It would make more sense that the combine might Issue the Arteria forces Molle vests and Vietnam ERA M1 helmets and OD Fatigues instead of PASGT Helmet's and vest, The vest's which would likely degrade by this point in the story as we know soft body armor goes bad. And the reason for the PASGT Being ommited would simply be unit cost and the combine having alot easier of a time stamping out sheet metal and plastic covers then creating reinforced Kevlar helmets. I.E You could easily have citizens bang out some POT Style M1 Helmets. As opposed to aramid Kevlar helmets which would require a more professional industrial approach.
8. It would be incredibly useful to be able to do /actstand while standing in formation or /actstand 2 Hell even /actinjured for when we turn in for the night in the barracks.
9. There's also a few head types alongside the helmets such as classic boonie hat and beanies Aswell as standalone Gasmask variant.

 

[Noh]

It'd be a good idea to show more pics of them in-game, as that steam link doesn't really show it.

 

[ShadoWiz4rd]

It'd be a good idea to show more pics of them in-game, as that steam link doesn't really show it.

I'll get some pictures if I can. Christ can't find any. IDK If anyone has this pack downloaded but if you wouldn't mind sharing some images of the playermodel's we'd forever be in your favor.

 

[AdamCF]

That pack doesn’t fit in well with 24’s theme. It’s like some soviet shit. I absolutely prefer the ones we already have in almost every way. The ones we have also fit the theme of us being new, clean recruits.
Plus, this is for an event. Sure, there are a couple upsides to this, but it’d mean getting wveryone’s Model changed, updating the content pack, writing guidelines for who wears what... all for event chars. Instead of an armband, just don’t give the penal battalion any body armour

Anyway. If we are gonna change, why would we use this pack? Why not go all in and use this pack, which comes with so much shit https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1900798092

 

[ShadoWiz4rd]

That pack doesn’t fit in well with 24’s theme. It’s like some soviet shit. I absolutely prefer the ones we already have in almost every way. The ones we have also fit the theme of us being new, clean recruits.
Plus, this is for an event. ”I want a cooler model for my event char” probably isn’t the biggest priority right now

Anyway. If we are gonna change, why would we use this pack? Why not go all in and use this pack, which comes with so much shit https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1900798092

I was tempted to suggest that one but I figured from both a lore and visual standpoint the enhanced one would be a lot more highly favored however in my opinion, This one would probably be better as it has such a variety from PT Uniforms to full on MOPP Gear.


It's not about having a cooler uniform for muh event character, It's about them not looking like something from 2002 when we have much more modern models to choose that are arguably better in each way possible and would enable use to use our animations. we cannot even physically smoke.

 

[AdamCF]

I was tempted to suggest that one but I figured from both a lore and visual standpoint the enhanced one would be a lot more highly favored however in my opinion, This one would probably be better as it has such a variety from PT Uniforms to full on MOPP Gear.

From a lore and visual standpoint, the one we have now is best. The ones you suggested are honestly not amazing quality and don’t really fit in much with the map. But, if staff do add it, I guess it’s alright.

 

[ShadoWiz4rd]

From a lore and visual standpoint, the one we have now is best. The ones you suggested are honestly not amazing quality and don’t really fit in much with the map. But, if staff do add it, I guess it’s alright.

I just would rather be able to do acts smoke/shave and still look like a soldier. As opposed to vintage GI-JOE that can't use animations cus the model is so OLD, I'm sure later tommorow some members will voice their Oppinions.

 

[AdamCF]

I just would rather be able to do acts smoke/shave and still look like a soldier. As opposed to vintage GI-JOE that can't use animations cus the model is so OLD, I'm sure later tommorow some members will voice their Oppinions.

The ones we have might be old, but that doesn’t at all mean they’re bad. The ones you suggested are noticeably low-poly and they just don’t fit in with the setting. They look far too old whereas combine equipment is modern.

 

[ShadoWiz4rd]

The ones we have might be old, but that doesn’t at all mean they’re bad. The ones you suggested are noticeably low-poly and they just don’t fit in with the setting. They look far too old whereas combine equipment is modern.

Bro we litterally counted the poly's out on the boots of the current ones, And my vest is hollow inside.

 

[AdamCF]

It looks better, Is much much smoother.

What do you mean by this? It looks lower poly and doesnt fit in with the theme

The helmet is like the armor piece on the server so it can be issued and we can use gasmask's with it, It has a molle vest. There's a togglable armband that can be used for denoting Penal battalion units. Not to mention helmet covers.

Why would conscripts need to use gasmasks anyway? And, how is the molle best an improvement over the current one?

The current models are ancient and we can't use any animations with them. It's not something that's game breaking but we'd look a lot more crisp and clean, Not to mention be able to have gasmask's with our combat kit.

They aren’t crisp and clean... and again, you won’t need gasmasks

And to address the female conscripts, There's no reason we can't say that the gasmask ones are ICLY Female or just keep the current one. And with these we should be able to at least use our animations.

“Yeah there’s won’t be any female conscripts so we’re heavily restricting who can enter the event, but Idk just keep them the same then???”
Why not just keep them matching?

The Enhanced models don't have blocky feet and the overall design is a lot more modern and overall is more visually pleasing.

Blocky feet? What model quality setting are you playing on?

Seeing as the Arteria Arm is likely going to appear more then once on the server it might be worth the time it'll take.

They’ll be here for a week or two for an event, then they’re gone.

From an In-character standpoint It would make more sense that the combine might Issue the Arteria forces Molle vests and Vietnam ERA M1 helmets and OD Fatigues instead of PASGT Helmet's and vest, The vest's which would likely degrade by this point in the story as we know soft body armor goes bad. And the reason for the PASGT Being ommited would simply be unit cost and the combine having alot easier of a time stamping out sheet metal and plastic covers then creating reinforced Kevlar helmets. I.E You could easily have citizens bang out some POT Style M1 Helmets. As opposed to aramid Kevlar helmets which would require a more professional industrial approach.

From an IC standpoint, it would make sense for the combine to reuse old military vests instead of making brand new vests for their expendable army full of criminals and idiots. The vests don’t need to stop bullets just increase the morale

 

[ShadoWiz4rd]

What do you mean by this? It looks lower poly and doesnt fit in with the theme

Why would conscripts need to use gasmasks anyway? And, how is the molle best an improvement over the current one?


They aren’t crisp and clean... and again, you won’t need gasmasks


“Yeah there’s won’t be any female conscripts so we’re heavily restricting who can enter the event, but Idk just keep them the same then???”
Why not just keep them matching?


Blocky feet? What model quality setting are you playing on?


They’ll be here for a week or two for an event, then they’re gone.


From an IC standpoint, it would make sense for the combine to reuse old military vests instead of making brand new vests for their expendable army full of criminals and idiots. The vests don’t need to stop bullets just increase the morale

Four weeks, Blocky feet? Take a good look next time you're in-game. There aren't any other female conscript models. I was offering it as a suggestion. They are much more crisp and clean then the ones we have that look like slightly upgraded beta models. They'd use gasmask's for sewer or hazardous deployment/whatever the hell is needed. My model quality setting is High tyvm. The one I gave you is significently higher poly and does fit with the theme.

 

[AdamCF]

They'd use gasmask's for sewer or hazardous deployment/whatever the hell is needed

They’re deploying to city 2, not city 24 tho

The one I gave you is significently higher poly and does fit with the theme.

Your one looks far lower quality and fits with the theme of industrial 17 for example, not city24.

There aren't any other female conscript models

And this is one of the reasons we shouldn’t change.

The models we have are completely fine and serve their purpose. This is a temporary event thing that’ll be gone soon. Again, if people want cooler conscript models for some reason, the HECU pack exists. The ones you suggested are a downgrade

 

[AdamCF]

the ones we have that look like slightly upgraded beta models

Something must be wrong with your eyes. The current models are entirely new, just loosely following the style of beta (and what’s wrong with that?). Saying they look like “slightly upgraded beta models” is like saying the alyx CPs are “slighty upgraded half life 2 models”

The models we have now are completely fine for what they’ll be used for. They look clean, reasonably high quality, low addon size, have female variants, and enough bodygroups. I don’t see why the need to be changed to some Vietnam industrial 17 looking shit, which would only take more time and would mean that the female models look out of place

 

[NaughtyNicholas]

I think this is becoming a pissing contest between you two. As one of the DI's/Nominals in the event, although I am not a big fan of the models I do see their value within the environment we play. I don't think we to add more content and basically go through the whole process of "fixing something that isn't broken". These current models work good for conscript characters, which are rather low-budget and rough uniforms. If you want good uniforms and great gear join the Civil Protection. Conscripts are comprised of criminals and generally lower-intelligence of the social hierarchy. Although I will wait for the rest of the event to team to decide.

 

[ShadoWiz4rd]

I think this is becoming a pissing contest between you two. As one of the DI's/Nominals in the event, although I am not a big fan of the models I do see their value within the environment we play. I don't think we to add more content and basically go through the whole process of "fixing something that isn't broken". These current models work good for conscript characters, which are rather low-budget and rough uniforms. If you want good uniforms and great gear join the Civil Protection. Conscripts are comprised of criminals and generally lower-intelligence of the social hierarchy. Although I will wait for the rest of the event to team to decide.

Its not a matter of better gear the stuff we have in game is arguably better gear then what I suggested. I'm just suggesting a more oocly modern model. Modern via the workshop where we can't count the polygons and its visually appealing and helps represent the server in a slightly better light and allows us freedom to do more things. Like animations. While it's not Imperative, I know I speak for a few other members when saying it would be a welcome change.

Current conscript model's been used since the early 2010's

 

[AdamCF]

I'm just suggesting a more oocly modern model

Modern != good

Modern via the workshop where we can't count the polygons and its visually appealing and helps represent the server in a slightly better light and allows us freedom to do more things

You can't count the polygons on the current models.
The current models fit in with the setting and theme of HL2 release combine. Your models fit in far better with darker, beta themes.
Both models are visually appealing.
How does it represent the server in a slightly better light?
The only freedom it gives you is that it adds an armband for penals. A great idea, but we already have a way to distinguish penals from volunteers.

Like animations

Yeah. This is one of the biggest reasons I'd support a change. However, I like our current models far more than the ones you suggested.

Current conscript model's been used since the early 2010's

There's a reason they're still being used despite their age. They're nice looking models.

 

[Atle]

We're happy with the current model selection

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