Dingo8MyBud's Ban Appeal - Bunker Raid Incident

[Maddox]

Steam Name: Dingo8MyBud
SteamID: STEAM_0:1:65282790

Name of the Admin you were banned by: Maroon

How long is the ban for?: 2 Months, 1 Hour

The reason you were banned?: Metagame, Metabait, LTARP

Why do you wish to be unbanned?: Because, to explain briefly there was no instance where I metagamed or LTARP'd.

Let's write off the LTARP first, my game crashed, and I started reconnecting IMMEDIATELY, though my game crashed again mid-reconnecting so it took a few seconds longer than normal (literally not even like 10 seconds, my game boots up pretty much instantly), but either way, I don't see why I would ever in my right mind disconnect and then rejoin not even five seconds later. I don't have a history with LTARP at all, and to add on to all of it, I was already reconnecting before I was told to do so, I would imagine that can be confirmed through a packet tracer or something like that.

As for metagame, I genuinely don't know what is being referenced here, I don't know what I'm being accused of metagaming here so I don't even know where to begin with that. If Maroon can let me know what that's about, that'd be awesome.

As for metabait I would assume that's referencing me joking about snitching on my own group. Now, at that point, everyone already knew their were CPs outside raiding, but I didn't. I knew that they were checking the wooden door, but I was completely unaware they knew about the bunker door which can be affirmed by logs, where I confronted them in LOOC through the door when I realised what was going on. Basically, I was taking the piss, everyone in BS knows I take almost nothing seriously, so scaring people into thinking I'd fucked them all was funny, until I realised that they were actually, genuinely, straight up raiding, which is when we all panicked.

Do you have any picture or video evidence to support your reason?: I don't, but others might. I didn't have any reason or incentive to record until the raid began, which I do have recorded.

Were there any witnesses who can help in this appeal?: (List the steam and/or character names of them or tag them) Essentially every Bottlestreet member that was present during the raid.

 

[The Milkman]

One thing I can add is I did indeed see Dingo reconnecting shortly after disconnecting

 

[Maddox]

Please add everyone from Bottlestreet, Wraygun, Neonity
and whomever else staff feel necessary to the thread <3

The Steam ID's I know of are;

STEAM_0:1:55099154 - Neonity
STEAM_0:0:93978068 - Tinker
STEAM_0:0:168504023 - Wraygun
(Will edit this message as more IDs come through)

 

[ghostuspokus]

I am going to throw in my personal opinion. I feel as though this was an attempt to construct a new character; however, a hint of regret came through. There are several IC matters that I will not disclose publically which lead me to this belief.

LTARP: Scared of consequences and losing a character.
Metagame: Using IC info on another character to benefit his own motives.

If there are any further questions feel free to PM me.

Considering several IC matters, -support at the moment.

 

[NEYO]

Yo,

Alright so, timeframe I was given was essentially,

- told cps about the base on one char > switched char when sweep started > told rebels cps were coming > disconnects which is the LTARP charge

So let's start with LTARP, kinda difficult to prove you hadn't just DC'd to avoid the raid rather than it being a crash, if it was just the once I would have dropped it, as you'll see in the logs it took you five minutes to reconnect, that's fair enough if it was a an unintended DC but the second time you DCed before the sweep timer was up with no reconnect, so that's sticking.

Second is metabait, you switched to your rebel char almost immediatly and in local ooc, tell the group "xd", "i just ratted us out on my loyalist char", that's metabait. RebelRP has been having consistent issues for weeks (mainly metagamed info that leads to voids), as a rebel yourself I'm not sure what you hoped to accomplish with this or where you thought it would lead.

Thirdly is metagame, this was due to you reporting the base or rather the foot steps leading down into that base, knowing full well that "i just ratted us out" and that they would investigate the area, switching to your rebel char inside the base and telling everyone about having "ratted out" the base and consequently causing a shit storm that left rebels feeling betrayed, upset(from what I gather) and staff having to sift through all the logs of the whole thing for a good portion of last night.

This obviously looks bad, what looks worse is that you have a history of the same behavours along with previous warnings/bans for metagame.

This appeal is denied, right now you are sitting on 5 warnings (I believe) and if you get another warning, especially for metagame it's going to end in a permaban. I'm gonna lock this thread.

Below I'll post some logs, for context;

This one is you reporting the footsteps.


This is you immediatly switching chars, metabaiting and dcing a few times.


This was when the sweep was still on going and you dced with no return.

 

[RedHotGinger]

Lowering to one month so the ban time is more in accordance with listed guidelines.

 

[Votton]

Unlocking the appeal again, so further context can be provided from both parties.

 

[Maddox]

I am going to throw in my personal opinion. I feel as though this was an attempt to construct a new character; however, a hint of regret came through. There are several IC matters that I will not disclose publically which lead me to this belief.

LTARP: Scared of consequences and losing a character.
Metagame: Using IC info on another character to benefit his own motives.

If there are any further questions feel free to PM me.

Considering several IC matters, -support at the moment.

Let me reply to this quickly. Dominic Maddox, my loyalist character, is my first ever character on this server. It was not an attempt to start a new character as he was already very developed, and made it into the CWU on the first day on the server. He's F3'd with basically everyone that played a month ago, minus some CCA all the CPS naturally. Not only that, but there was absolutely... Well and truly no metagame. I'm curious as to what IC info you think I used?

I saw Jess, they were very obviously a rebel, they had.. Rebel gear on, and I saw their face. I initially tried to give them a chance, they were being stupid wearing that in public and walking up to random people to chit chat, and so I warned them like "Hey what the fuck are you doing wearing that in public, pretty fucking brave if you ask me.". Then they insisted and started babbling on about "Oh so you're a snitch then." and then I basically said "Yeah, so like... Why are you still here." so they walk off, CPs come barging through RB-2 only seconds after they left and so I tell them straight up; "They went into the apartments and took a left." I then followed the CPs, and when we made it to the fire-barrel I said "The footsteps stopped here." because I PHYSICALLY could not hear them past that point, but it seems a lot of people have this misconception that I just fuckin' drew them a map with my favourite flavoured crayon and marked the bunker in bright red and lead them there and just said "Ooh ee monkey yeah raid here xd". That's not what happened. I gave them a crumb of information to work with, being A) Jess went into the apartments and B) I didn't know where they went past the fire-barrel. Bottom line, I did NOT tell them the footsteps lead to the bunker, like.. That just didn't happen.

They completely ignored me, and went straight to the bunker door, and in fact, some of them (the pointmen, i.e the fellas at the front of the PT) had already made it to the door and were posted up in front of it. Some of them told me to fuck off and so I did. Then Steyr came in telling them they couldn't raid and I basically just said "My guy, that's a wooden door, that doesn't need IC knowledge. If they wanna check it they can." because obviously they search the apartments and that, so this is no different, it was the same fucking door model for christs sake, it'd make no sense to me if they ignored it just because. The issues started however when they took the liberty to not only check the wooden door, but also the actual bloody blast door that lead to the bunker, which DOES require IC knowledge. I gave them absolutely, NO IC info to suggest the room was suspicious, my character doesn't even know about the bunker. THIS is where the issues started, this was not my intention, I had no way of knowing they'd metagame the blast door (even if at the time, they didn't know they were using metagamed info).

I had no way of knowing they'd raid the bunker, only the front room, being the cover-up room. This was not an attempt at fucking over my own group, nor would it ever be. I am not a psychopath, and that would be completely out-of-character for me as basically everyone in Bottlestreet can confirm, whom were the people who suffered most from the raid, who I supposedly "betrayed".

And finally, the LTARP. I left five minutes before the sweep timer was up, and I'll tell you why. The sweep... Was over. Technically, the timer wasn't, but the sweep itself was. That is all there is to it. If you have more questions, naturally you can just reply to this message. Cheers.

 

[Maddox]

Yo,

Alright so, timeframe I was given was essentially,

- told cps about the base on one char > switched char when sweep started > told rebels cps were coming > disconnects which is the LTARP charge

So let's start with LTARP, kinda difficult to prove you hadn't just DC'd to avoid the raid rather than it being a crash, if it was just the once I would have dropped it, as you'll see in the logs it took you five minutes to reconnect, that's fair enough if it was a an unintended DC but the second time you DCed before the sweep timer was up with no reconnect, so that's sticking.

Second is metabait, you switched to your rebel char almost immediatly and in local ooc, tell the group "xd", "i just ratted us out on my loyalist char", that's metabait. RebelRP has been having consistent issues for weeks (mainly metagamed info that leads to voids), as a rebel yourself I'm not sure what you hoped to accomplish with this or where you thought it would lead.

Thirdly is metagame, this was due to you reporting the base or rather the foot steps leading down into that base, knowing full well that "i just ratted us out" and that they would investigate the area, switching to your rebel char inside the base and telling everyone about having "ratted out" the base and consequently causing a shit storm that left rebels feeling betrayed, upset(from what I gather) and staff having to sift through all the logs of the whole thing for a good portion of last night.

This obviously looks bad, what looks worse is that you have a history of the same behavours along with previous warnings/bans for metagame.

This appeal is denied, right now you are sitting on 5 warnings (I believe) and if you get another warning, especially for metagame it's going to end in a permaban. I'm gonna lock this thread.

Below I'll post some logs, for context;

This one is you reporting the footsteps.
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This is you immediatly switching chars, metabaiting and dcing a few times.
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This was when the sweep was still on going and you dced with no return.
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As for this I'll make it quick since my previous post answered or rebuttled most of what has been said here.

For starters I left a grand total of two times, once was a crash as I've said previously and I reconnected immediately as proven by logs. The second time, the sweep was over, so I don't know what you want me to do there. It was late, sweep was over, I was tired, I got off, simples. That said, I understand that there is technically still a sweep timer that yes, I did technically break, so do what you think is right here I guess.

Metabait? I'll say it again, I was taking the piss, I expected them to check the front room and leave it at that. Just because that didn't happen, doesn't mean I'm a genie and just knew they'd raid. I can't see the future, just because my dumb attempt at scaring Umbra and Kirin ended up actually happening, doesn't mean I knew it'd happen. I mean they literally used metagamed info to raid, not that they knew at the time, same thing applies here.. I didn't know it'd actually happen.

 

[NEYO]

Yo,

I'm just gonna keep this short and unban you.

 

[Maddox]

Yo,

I'm just gonna keep this short and unban you.

o7