'A habitable and non-toxic environment to all its playerbase'

[Imperator RAD-X]

Hi all.

I am the individual that wrote the above part of the behavioural policy section in regards to ideology- which falls under both elements of positive and negative affirmations for which people fall within their line of personal preferences. There is something specific I would like to reiterate which has to bring questionable assumptions to this situation. Now, I did speak to Fungle about these few messages in the past, and YES the Community Management was definitely aware of it and we did take action. It doesn't warrant a removal or placement into a guillotine.

/we will not/ give individuals special treatment for any reason, positive or negative.​

Now, to put this into perspective I had done a little dig into this situation. I was informed Fungle and someone else got into a conversation which one person said:

"Being gay is based" followed by "Being gay is cringe" - which is exactly what started the apparent debacle and lead to this thread being created.​

Now you spoke to me about this incident in the past and we directly took action which was satisfiable, which you directly stated to me that it did satisfy you. There hasn't been an incident since then.

Being X, Y, Z doesn't make anyone more special than anyone else in this thread, nobody cares about whether you're gay, Bi, poly-what-ever and anyone that simply doesn't agree with it isn't a goosestepping Nazi. The world is filled with people with different opinions, thoughts and integral processes that are wildly different from one another.

But this is the part of the thread that I have a serious problem with.

I know at least a dozen people who joined the server, had fun, joined the discord or caught a message in the LOOC, and left immediately, realizing that queer and non-white people aren't really welcome here, or at least are targeted on the basis of being those things. Those are just the incidences I know of, of course, I don't know how many others have done the same.

Evidence please.

Because I do not believe this for a second at all, and I think this is a shot at the entire community in this regard in which you have stated "the hostility, rampant bad faith and prejudices toward groups of people" is making you leave, because of the previous conversations that took place. I do not find these linked at all and I believe this is done to further attention grab for the people and voting on this poll to provide shock-horror to your experience.

I can't call your post on good faith because I believe it is wholeheartedly created on bad faith itself by the instance of a small conversation that happened between Fungle and yourself the other day or night. I can't take this thread seriously under these circumstances, you must realise this.

Willard definitely has a problem, but we're a gaming community. We're not here to celebrate everyone's sexuality. I'll stand by the policy till the world stops spinning. I know this may not be the response you're expecting, but when accusations are made as serious as these, you've grabbed my absolute attention to it. Albeit it may be the greatest form of attention because of the accusations being made in that part of the thread, alleviating we do not take action on it.

Provide the evidence, or do not make points that make absolutely no sense to this poll and at least be fully honest if you to choose to reply. You're (with)holding critical information which is alleviating that the entire community is a racist shithole, which it isn't by the way at least from what I can see on our platforms.

I'm sorry you had this experience and I wish to help you, but this is making it harder and less credible than it seems.

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VERY LATE EDIT: I do not do this out of animosity. The integrity of the post needed to be tested as per its claims, we have had issues like this in the past that weren't as circumstantial / credible, but this is one of those times where it is. I am speaking with people both involved in this thread and outside of it privately. Yes, it is a problem, one I fully recognise.

 

[VelmaDingus]

we did take action

What action?

It doesn't warrant a removal or [ridiculous overexaggeration]

What would?

"Being gay is based" followed by "Being gay is cringe" - which is exactly what started the apparent debacle and lead to this thread being created.

This is entirely incorrect, and I don't know why you'd state this as fact after only speaking to one side.

What happened was, Fungle was talking about some stuff on the server, touched upon the subject of some people (or their IC chars, idk) being gay, and said he didn't agree with it. Fungle was the one to bring it up, unprompted.

Simply saying he doesn't agree with it, however, is not the issue. He proceeded to go on a tirade, which you were not there for, about how all gay people are going to hell, how what they do is sinful, etc etc.

The June 1st Incident shows that Fungle is actively hateful in his approach to queer people, and it doesn't matter if he was "dealt with", because ultimately he still holds the position, and ultimately he's already shown to everyone he is homophobic.

On the night in question he even said "I am homophobic. I don't hate gay people, but I am homophobic.".

How the higgedy heck is it not allowing ideology to fester if you have an openly homophobic catholic who admits to "proselytizing and spreading the word of jesus christ" because "that's what my priest tells me to do at the end of every sermon".

You're not treating this with the severity of the attention it requires.

we directly took action which was satisfiable, which you directly stated to me that it did satisfy you. There hasn't been an incident since then.

You said "If it happens again, I'll have him sent to Head of Staff." and I said "yeah, ok, thanks for talking to me about this". Please don't make stuff up, I never said I was satisfied.

Evidence please.

Oh, with pleasure. Let me just join the discord, and look for literally five minutes.





It really doesn't take long to find instances of it in text, and it's very rampant over VC.

Maybe do a little searching yourself before you decry this shit as being made up to start trouble for no reason, or whatever you've just said?

I can't call your post on good faith because I believe it is wholeheartedly created on bad faith itself by the instance of a small conversation that happened between Fungle and yourself the other day or night. I can't take this thread seriously under these circumstances, you must realise this.

This was an inciting incident, bud, not the sole reason. Everything I've posted has been true and my genuine experience. I'm not just like "fungle is shit" otherwise I would have made a post solely about fungle. This is a community issue, with multiple staff and multiple community members.

Petition for people not named as part of the problem to stop acting like I've accused them personally of doing something sus.

 

[VelmaDingus]

You're holding critical information which is alleviating that the entire community is a racist shithole, which it isn't by the way.

Not only did I never say this place was a "racist shithole" (more exaggeration and bad faith straw-manning on your part) I'm already submitting things to an admin I trust, to take them to your staff/cm meeting, bud.

They need to be censored and made anonymous, because, as I've mentioned before, some of the staff are part of the issue. Some of the staff don't keep reports private.

Maybe a less defensive and accusatory request for some evidence might have been preferable? Given that I'm literally already providing it.

Either way, I find it hard to see your post in good faith.

Everything I've said has been based upon person experience of things I've seen, and the testimony of friends I've made who have also been made uncomfortable.

When you say things like:

which you directly stated to me that it did satisfy you.

nobody cares about whether you're gay, Bi, poly-what-ever

this is a shot at the entire community

further attention grab

small conversation that happened between Fungle

These posts are either you making things up, being wilfully ignorant of the state of things, or inflammatory and dismissive language. None of this is an "attention grab", the "small conversation" was Fungle telling me my eternal soul will burn in hell repeatedly in the VC, my "shot at the entire community" is an attempt to make things more bearable for those who are upset by how they're being treated, etc etc

I took great care to make sure my post was only talking about the instances I've seen, the things I've experienced, and what I've heard from friends.

You have taken no such care in your response. Additionally, I think it is very telling that a Community Manager says:

I can't take this thread seriously under these circumstances, you must realise this.

If you can't take it seriously, because of your baseless suspicions that I am saying this in bad faith? Then leave it to someone else?

 

[Neonity]

Joke.

Joke.

Also a joke.

Funny joke.


These are jokes. Shock-humor jokes sure. They're not intended to be harmful. My apologies.

 

[VelmaDingus]

Joke.

Joke.

Also a joke.

Funny joke.


These are jokes. Shock-humor jokes sure. They're not intended to be harmful. My apologies.

Refer to my original post on how insincere jokes don't work if you don't know the person.

I was asked to prove "how could a non-white person coming to willard not feel safe?"

The answer is 'seeing this shit, and not being able to divine that they're jokes'.

As has been repeatedly pointed out to me "no one here can read minds". Therefore, how are people supposed to know these are jokes, and not to be taken seriously?

What if you're joking, but others are being serious? Like... Ultimately, this isn't a great environment to be, where you're unsure if the people around you are being actively hateful, or just pretending to be actively hateful and then calling it a joke? Like... What's the punchline?

 

[Appetite Ruining Kebab]

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Hi all.

I am the individual that wrote the above part of the behavioural policy section in regards to ideology- which falls under both elements of positive and negative affirmations for which people fall within their line of personal preferences. There is something specific I would like to reiterate which has to bring questionable assumptions to this situation. Now, I did speak to Fungle about these few messages in the past, and YES the Community Management was definitely aware of it and we did take action. It doesn't warrant a removal or placement into a guillotine.

/we will not/ give individuals special treatment for any reason, positive or negative.​

Now, to put this into perspective I had done a little dig into this situation. I was informed Fungle and someone else got into a conversation which one person said:

"Being gay is based" followed by "Being gay is cringe" - which is exactly what started the apparent debacle and lead to this thread being created.​

Now you spoke to me about this incident in the past and we directly took action which was satisfiable, which you directly stated to me that it did satisfy you. There hasn't been an incident since then.

Being X, Y, Z doesn't make anyone more special than anyone else in this thread, nobody cares about whether you're gay, Bi, poly-what-ever and anyone that simply doesn't agree with it isn't a goosestepping Nazi. The world is filled with people with different opinions, thoughts and integral processes that are wildly different from one another.

But this is the part of the thread that I have a serious problem with.



Evidence please.

Because I do not believe this for a second at all, and I think this is a shot at the entire community in this regard in which you have stated "the hostility, rampant bad faith and prejudices toward groups of people" is making you leave, because of the previous conversations that took place. I do not find these linked at all and I believe this is done to further attention grab for the people and voting on this poll to provide shock-horror to your experience.

I can't call your post on good faith because I believe it is wholeheartedly created on bad faith itself by the instance of a small conversation that happened between Fungle and yourself the other day or night. I can't take this thread seriously under these circumstances, you must realise this.

Willard definitely has a problem, but we're a gaming community. We're not here to celebrate everyone's sexuality. I'll stand by the policy till the world stops spinning. I know this may not be the response you're expecting, but when accusations are made as serious as these, you've grabbed my absolute attention to it. Albeit it may be the greatest form of attention because of the accusations being made in that part of the thread, alleviating we do not take action on it.

Provide the evidence, or do not make points that make absolutely no sense to this poll and at least be fully honest if you to choose to reply. You're (with)holding critical information which is alleviating that the entire community is a racist shithole, which it isn't by the way at least from what I can see on our platforms.

I'm sorry you had this experience and I wish to help you, but this is making it harder and less credible than it seems.

bro i love what you do but you're completely missing the point of the post by fixating on this race/gender/orientation nonsense (even if some of this is partially racially charged) when what is being discussed are attitudes that are much less obvious and much more insidiuous than that

this isn't a courtroom, people don't need "evidence" to discuss their experiences, if you refuse to consider the viewpoints of people who feel harmed in your community because they don't screencap every convo and record every voice chat like a paranoid schizophrenic then you are frankly doing a crap job as its manager

you are not running a company. you're providing a platform for a bunch of dudes who want to have fun. when 50% of them aren't, there's a problem. this unnecessary self-importance on behalf of staff and the vague bureaucratic language that follows does not at all fit the environment that you claim willard to be

 

[M3ntal]

Apparently keeping racially charged or other types of sensitive jokes to private chats is too much to ask for.

 

[Vulpes Callida]

Joke.

Joke.

Also a joke.

Funny joke.


These are jokes. Shock-humor jokes sure. They're not intended to be harmful. My apologies.

 

[Imperator RAD-X]

You should have contacted me individually about this.

Anyhow - The image you sent is quite old in terms of flerk being there as staff. That was six months ago and those people are long gone and dealt with.

We actually have a great deal of methods to find people trying to post and act like that to other people than what we previously did beforehand. We also do not have the N word on the discord, we do check everything over.

How the higgedy heck is it not allowing ideology to fester if you have an openly homophobic catholic who admits to "proselytizing and spreading the word of jesus christ" because "that's what my priest tells me to do at the end of every sermon".

Now currently I am in a CM Meeting and we are actually looking into this, the reason I called this bad faith is beacuse the information was being originally withheld and therefore could not be taken into actual heavy consideration, or was nowhere to be seen. Thank you for sending it.



I searched up the discord and it auto-deletes any mention of certain mentions, and people who try to circumvent it get muted or banned. So in case as to what happens, we do take it very seriously. We have it automated and placed into our archives to check over who tries to alleviate it. If people are attacking you in DMs or acting a certain way in OOC like that -

I took great care to make sure my post was only talking about the instances I've seen, the things I've experienced, and what I've heard from friends.

Then bring them to me, there's a reason I can physically raise hell from a small pit if people send me the necessary ingredient and evidence for it and slap a few bans on people that deserve it.

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These are jokes. Shock-humor jokes sure. They're not intended to be harmful. My apologies.

Not very good taste, and you know the backlash this can cause by acting that way, which contributes to a varied levels of upset.

people don't need "evidence" to discuss their experiences

For effective level of action, yes I do. I can't just ban people willy-nilly on a whim. You see where I'm going and what I'm saying?

Anyway - I don't mean to make the earlier messages in animosity, but heavy inquisition. I'm in contact with some people, so thank you for the evidence and such. We're looking into every corner, now.

 

[Vulpes Callida]

can u stop spamming the thread with garbage u sack of idiots

 

[Appetite Ruining Kebab]

For effective level of action, yes I do. I can't just ban people willy-nilly on a whim. You see where I'm going and what I'm saying?

bans are not the only form of conflict resolution and you know this, so i do not see where you're going

but listen, obviously you want to do something about this, i respect that and wish you the best in taming this shifty cesspit

 

[Deleted member 2717]

Stop going off-topic. Contribute to the discussion or do not post.

 

[Imperator RAD-X]

bans are not the only form of conflict resolution and you know this, so i do not see where you're going

It was an example, and the easiest one to make to put it simply that Guideline #1 is explained. Role removal, whitelist removal, mutes. Massive elaborations ain't necessary but I think you may be able to see where it can go.

 

[Pandafish]

As a person of the fluff, this thread resonates deeply within my soul.. every day I am discriminated and abused by the members of this "community" (more like Klan) for sport. I've even been warned by a staff member just for being who I am by expressing myself through Discord Nitro emotes (which blocking solved as I am forced to do daily).. something must change. This is not the Willard HL2RPMMORPG Industries I know & love..

 

[Goose]

As a person of the fluff, this thread resonates deeply within my soul.. every day I am discriminated and abused by the members of this "community" (more like Klan) for sport. I've even been warned by a staff member just for being who I am by expressing myself through Discord Nitro emotes (which blocking solved as I am forced to do daily).. something must change. This is not the Willard HL2RPMMORPG Industries I know & love..

You are literally half of the racial slurs posted in the rebel discord

 

[Noodle]

Hello,

Look back to RADs comments for those who want to read further into this, for now, I will close this thread as its gone off-topic and is no longer constructive in its purpose. RAD is also open for further discussion surrounding this for those that wish.