Allow warnings to be appealed

[taptap]

Recently I made a warning appeal. I was accused of ERPing with a plant, when I never did any of that. But, since warnings cant be appealed as said by @Neonity I will have PLANT ERPer on my permanent record.

I want to be staff, I want to apply to help with events but this will hinder me as I will always me known as the plant ERPer then though I have never done that.

I cant even appeal a warning, I cant do anything to remove this stain from my record. Allow warnings to be appealed, as they are stains on records that hinder players from applying for staff, whitelists, and add a social stain on records

 

[Chico]

as they are stains on records that hinder players from applying for staff, whitelists,

thats the point

 

[taptap]

thats the point

Yes, but in my case the warning is false and for many others as well who have tried to appeal warnings but can not, as there is no way to appeal them.
I will forever be known as the person who ERPed with a plant when I never did that. Its bullshit!

 

[swagile]

God I really didn't want to do this but...

Fine.

Ill look at the logs.

 

[verTix]

Dislike-bombing all of my posts because I disagree with one of yours. You are either very young or a low-effort troll.

I will forever be known as the person who ERPed with a plant when I never did that. Its bullshit!

There's plenty more you are known for.

Don't make this person staff.

 

[Chico]

Dislike-bombing all of my posts because I disagree with one of yours. You are either very young or a low-effort troll.

There's plenty more you are known for.

Don't make this person staff.

taptap has declared war

 

[Robert]

Appealing warnings... is a bit dumb and will most likely cause spam of appeals forcing staff to waste their time searching bountiful logs only to come up with nothing 90% of the time... there is a reason no server on this planet, no community in existence allows the appeals of warnings to be done. It is simply a matter of staff handling your warnings, if they think a warning is not valid, they will revoke it of their own volition, not at the request of a player.

Most invalid warnings may always stay on record like with a lot of communities but staff simply know what warnings are valid and what is not valid due to how warning systems work. Even if you get a warning that is invalid, a staff member may set that to be giving you 0 "warning points". Warning points are one way of knowing if a warning is still valid or not, it is a form of validation and expiry while still keeping the warning overall on record for the sake of log keeping.

In the end, to answer your question in my opinion... no, I do not think you should ever be able to appeal a warning since at the end of the day, the warning system is setup in a way that makes sure that any invalid warnings are sorted and noted, even if kept on record.

 

[Laura]

Man I knew that I remembered this guy from somewhere.
It was this profile message, just made me cringe out loud.

 

[Goose]

It would take a miracle for you to get accepted as staff with your background, the plant fucking isn’t even the main reason you wouldn’t be accepted. In either case, back when I gave you this warning I had shown the logs to @RedHotGinger and confirmed the warning with him. It is highly unlikely this will be looked into, as it’s nothing more than a second attempt at a denied appeal.

 

[swagile]

Well what I saw of the logs was cringe worthy but I didn't see the original "ERP" log itself.

I regret signing up to look into this.

I presume that Goose or RedHot have the original log of this to prove you did this, but from the logs I found there wasn't anything but some really cringey stuff.

 

[taptap]

Appealing warnings... is a bit dumb and will most likely cause spam of appeals forcing staff to waste their time searching bountiful logs only to come up with nothing 90% of the time... there is a reason no server on this planet, no community in existence allows the appeals of warnings to be done. It is simply a matter of staff handling your warnings, if they think a warning is not valid, they will revoke it of their own volition, not at the request of a player.

Most invalid warnings may always stay on record like with a lot of communities but staff simply know what warnings are valid and what is not valid due to how warning systems work. Even if you get a warning that is invalid, a staff member may set that to be giving you 0 "warning points". Warning points are one way of knowing if a warning is still valid or not, it is a form of validation and expiry while still keeping the warning overall on record for the sake of log keeping.

In the end, to answer your question in my opinion... no, I do not think you should ever be able to appeal a warning since at the end of the day, the warning system is setup in a way that makes sure that any invalid warnings are sorted and noted, even if kept on record.

Yeah, but that does not change the fact that any player can be warned for something they did not do and down the line it could cost them a whitelist/application cause of the warning.
I do see your point on it would waste time searching for logs for such a small thing. But my point stands, it still harms the person who was warned.

It would take a miracle for you to get accepted as staff with your background, the plant fucking isn’t even the main reason you wouldn’t be accepted

I have a near perfect background, other than this warning. Lots of people have told me to apply and they agree I am a great fit.

I had shown the logs to @@RedHotGinger and confirmed the warning with him. It is highly unlikely this will be looked into, as it’s nothing more than a second attempt at a denied appeal.

Sorry to say my man but you are just wrong all all accounts. I never did any plant ERP. What you are referring to is people calling my character a plant fucker. No one actually roleplayed fucking any plants in any shape or form dude.




I'm not here to argue about my warning, I am doing this for the community so other people can appeal their false warns. I saw some other people trying to appeal warns I am not the only one.

 

[taptap]

Well what I saw of the logs was cringe worthy but I didn't see the original "ERP" log itself.

I regret signing up to look into this.

I presume that Goose or RedHot have the original log of this to prove you did this, but from the logs I found there wasn't anything but some really cringey stuff.

Hey man I really appreciate you looking into the evidence at hand.

Again, do not spread rumors and drama on this thread like some people are doing. This thread is for suggestions to better the community, that is all I want to do.

 

[Robert]

Yeah, but that does not change the fact that any player can be warned for something they did not do and down the line it could cost them a whitelist/application cause of the warning.
I do see your point on it would waste time searching for logs for such a small thing. But my point stands, it still harms the person who was warned.

Well yes and no. It doesn't actually harm the player. As I said staff will remove a warning given said warning is actually invalid, but other times we simply set the warning point value to 0 while still keeping it on record.

At the end of the day, if a warning is marked with 0 points, it doesn't affect you in anyway since 0 = invalid/expired. Meaning it no longer applies to you. Its just noted for the sake of log keeping as I said in my post prior. In short, there is no community or even Company in the world which actually "removes" ones warnings when controlling player accounts and such and I see no reason for Willard to be the first when there is little to no reason to actually bother doing so.

 

[taptap]

Well yes and no. It doesn't actually harm the player.

It socially harms them. I for sure do not want to be known as the guy who ERP's when plant when I never did that.

As I said staff will remove a warning given said warning is actually invalid, but other times we simply set the warning point value to 0 while still keeping it on record.

Not the case actually, I was told they do not remove warnings no matter what in the server, and here. Look at my warning appeal thread, they denied it cause they dont have policy on removing it.

 

[Perseus]

Personally I don't see warnings as a major thing to appeal, it's like getting told off to not hit your brother again, yes you get in trouble but no one will care that you did it unless what you did was serious, I personally couldn't care if you ERPed a plant so don't drag it out like its a big deal

 

[RogueSynapse]

Honestly the best and perhaps the easiest way to meet in the middle is to have warnings expire based upon the severity of them. If you made an honest mistake that staff don't see you making again, maybe the warning sticks for a couple of weeks. Serious infractions need to last months though. I agree some warnings are given out way too easily. I got warned for DCing to avoid RP all because my power went out during a thunderstorm. That will forever be on my record. It's important not to sweat the small stuff though.

 

[Gyrann]

I agree with the fact that warnings should be appealable or expire after a given time.

 

[Atle]

You will not be able to appeal warnings in the same sense you appeal PKs/bans, etc given they're used for log keeping by the team. You may approach us if the warning issued is a genunine "oops" moment that we cannot lay claim to but generally speaking that'll be rare. As for the suggestion itself I'll have to deny it

DENIED