Brokenn Appeal

[bobby]

Steam Name: orange
SteamID: 76561198860274232
Name of the Admin you were banned by: Sachimi
How long is the ban for?: 2 weeks
The reason you were banned?: deathmatching

Why do you wish to be unbanned?: The Ban was unfair as the reason for killing the snitch was not because of 1 social credit rather it was for a few other reasons which I will explain.

Before I say what happened between me and the snitch ill list some things that will be relevant :

Getting a false charge (for something he didn't do) has already happened to me before, this is the second time its happened ( because of the snitch, snitching on me)

Another thing is that my char wants to join the BRI, he has spoken before with one of the BRi leads and was told that due to his past record he may not be able to join
Also, They have participated in an experiment with BRI (in case you think I am fabricating these claims)

Now onto what happened:

I walked into the ration centre and there was a little group, I walked into the group and stood next to Winnie, that's all I did, Then he and his friends started harassing my char. My char didn't say anything, choosing not to antagonise the group further.
After a little crowd forms, the cops show up and the group including the person that I killed start making claims of things I didn't do to the cps such as " having a roast battle, harassment and trying to start a fight"
Because of the false claims made by the snitch I killed and the others, I get arrested, searched and taken to the cell. After this, I end up getting charged.

Obviously, I was pissed that I got false charged and for the other listed reasons, so I went and got my gun, looked for the person who snitched, found them in the slums, did my /me and started TBC after which I killed him

As previously mentioned, my char has had a very similar thing happen to him before where someone lies to civil protection and I end up getting charged, so he would rightfully be angry if it happens to me again, I would argue just that is good enough reason to kill them but I do not think the admins will see eye to eye with me. But my Char would 100% be very angry over this which does help my case especially when you also consider the other things.

Also Getting another charge seriously negatively affects my chars chance of getting hired by the BRI yes, but even throughout the city, it makes it much harder to get a job, essentially ruining my chars life in the city which again adds to the reasons to kill the snitch. Getting another charge closes almost every door for what my char can do in the city as he already has a somewhat lengthy record
What's even worse is that maybe if was they said was true I would be like alright but they literally lied and ruined my chars city life, making it significantly harder to get a job.

In short:
someone snitched on me ( lied about me ) which resulted in me getting charged for something I didn't do
These exact same things have happened to my char before so he will obviously be fucking pissed that someone did it again
This charge essentially ruins my chars chances of getting a job where he wants to work and in general, makes it very hard to get a job and do stuff in the city

As a result, I believe I had more than enough justification for killing the person and therefore the ban is unfair as the kill was not for a "poor reason"



Do you have any picture or video evidence to support your reason?: all in the logs

Were there any witnesses who can help in this appeal?: (List the steam and/or character names of them or tag them)

 

[Kappatalist]

I've looked into this and it really seems as if you jumped the gun here.
You should have escalated the conflict, tried threatening them, mugging them, beating them - anything. But your first instinct was just to gun them down.

Ultimately I feel as if this ban was well applied, especially given the lack of RP during the ordeal.

Next time, escalate the conflict, get creative. The best stories are these sorts of things - not grabbing a gun and TBC'ing somebody because they cost you a social credit.

 

[bobby]

I've looked into this and it really seems as if you jumped the gun here.

yeah, I probably could have done something else, that's true for almost every case where someone gets killed. but i chose to kill them for the aforementioned reasons that I've listed already
But I still had more than enough justification to kill the person which I have already said, if you feel that my justification isn't enough or doesn't count for whatever reason then just let me know why because that is why I'm currently banned

You should have escalated the conflict

I did? I killed them, I don't think anything else would be above that

, tried threatening them, mugging them, beating them - anything. But your first instinct was just to gun them down.

yeah again I could have done that but I didn't as I felt I had plenty of reason to kill them.
I don't think going into the whole "you should've done X or Y" is the place as this is a ban appeal, not a PK appeal. Specifically a Ban appeal regarding the reasoning behind killing someone. I would be inclined to mug them, beat them etc if they threatened to snitch or did something not as bad but the 3 reasons I've said more than give me plenty of reason to choose to kill them

Ultimately I feel as if this ban was well applied, especially given the lack of RP during the ordeal.

I did my /me and shot my gun, the RP I did was completely fine. I don't know why the RP during the killing is being mentioned as I did my /me and also the ban isn't about what RP I did, it's about the killing and that the admins think that it wasn't a justifiable killing (which I think was).
I don't think it's fair to use "lack of RP" to keep my ban when the ban is not even related to what I did during the killing. The ban was for deathmatching which says :
"Killing another player without or with poor reason to do so."
This ban appeal should be just about the reason for killing not the RP
One thing I would like to add is that I did my share of RP and would have happily done more had the person I killed also done so, instead after I shot them the person shouted "WTF" in LOOC and proceeded to run away without doing any /me or speaking at all which is pretty mingy.
not even bothering to follow FearRP or pain RP ( runs away at full speed after being shot numerous times without any sort of speaking or /me)

Next time, escalate the conflict, get creative. The best stories are these sorts of things - not grabbing a gun and TBC'ing somebody because they cost you a social credit.

I mean it wasn't over one social credit, I literally said that at the start and summarised the reasons why I killed them at the end as well.


I would appreciate keeping this to the killing reason and not the "lack of RP" that you want to use to justify my ban remaining, again my RP did not break the rules in any way shape or form, so it doesn't make sense to try to use that to justify especially when it's arguable that the other party had a serious lack of RP, not me. If I didn't do a /me then fair enough, but I did. If this was a PK appeal I would understand your arguments but I've been banned over this.

In my own recent PK appeal, I was killed for standing next to a door and someone having the fear of me snitching and no bans or warns were handed to the people who killed me.
They had pretty poor reasons to kill me and were not given any sort of punishment, yet I had 3 reasons to kill them and I've been banned.
( i am not trying to advocate for the people who killed me to get punished) what I'm trying to say is that for them to kill me over a tiny thing yet I kill someone, for 3 reasons yet get banned is not really fair, is it?

You say that the ban is well applied yet you do not make any comments on the 3 reasons I had for killing the person, you do not say if they are valid or invalid, instead you just don't say anything about it, choosing to ignore them which don't make sense when that is what the ban is over( ill send them again below in case you missed it :


"Someone snitched on me ( lied about me ) which resulted in me getting charged for something I didn't do
These exact same things have happened to my char before so he will obviously be fucking pissed that someone did it again
This charge essentially ruins my chars chances of getting a job where he wants to work and in general, makes it very hard to get a job and do stuff in the city"

if the above reasons are invalid or don't count for whatever reason please tell me if so and why because that is why the ban is over: "Killing another player without or with poor reason to do so"
and I have provided my reasons for killing
this ban is not about the "lack of RP" that you claim I did (which I did not do as evident from me doing a somewhat lengthy /me before initiating combat) even if there was a serious lack of RP ( which I would argue there was from the other party as explained above, I did everything I needed to and would have happily chosen to do some more RP with the person but they chose to take things OOC and minge run away)
To blame me for the lack of RP and use that as a reason to keep my ban when it's not even related to the ban is just wrong
And what's worse is that the person I killed is significantly more guilty of the lack of RP than me.

Literally, all you have to do is look at my reasons and decide whether it's valid or not.
if not then explain why and how they aren't valid ( if you deem them to be invalid I would like to know how they are not valid)
that's pretty much what you gotta do, instead your choosing to take something I didn't do "lack of RP" and use that to attempt to justify my ban instead of looking at the reasons why I killed them.

this ban is literally over "poor reason for killing" and nothing else

 

[Kappatalist]

You weren't banned for poor RP, that was just part of it although I can understand that the other party may not have done so too. Regardless, however, this has no bearing on the ban in this instance and I mentioned it as it cropped up as an issue, although bear in mind it's not something that's overlooked and can/will come into talk over any situation.

I've contacted Grass about this, and he's confirmed that a blue tier crime isn't enough to kill somebody over, as I said, you should have escalated the conflict gradually. Taking other routes instead of jumping the gun and mowing down another character over something so minor. In future, like I said, look into more creative solutions to get them to stop, if in doubt speak to staff before you intend to kill another character for clarification.

With that said, I'm going to reduce this to one week as it was relatively minor. However, keep in mind that you now have two bans on record, please if in doubt before you act on something like this, ask a staff member.

If you have any questions/concerns you can DM me (Kappatalist#7669) or Maroon.