Complaint on Equinox

[ItsLiam]

Why are we letting these people in Willard still? Even better, why does this guy have to have a special role to make it so that he CAN'T post offensive shit? Is he that detremental to the server that we HAVE to keep him around?

Is this the kind of people Willard want to be associated with? Ask yourself, is this what you want to show to the outside world what Willard, and it's community, is?








This man should be banned and blacklisten from all factions. It's absolute blasphemy that some people have been waiting their Vort application for god knows how long, and this individual gets his application accepted within a few days.

Is this the kind of behaviour we want to promote? Is this what is considered "Good behaviour" and gets rewarded with an insta whitelist? Ask yourself what you want to be as a community, and if you want to be accepting and outgoing, ban this individual.

 

[Rat King]

honestly i'm with you on this 100% and if i had executive control of willard networks, he'd have been permanently banned in game as well as in discord. This isnt the first time we've been strangely lax on people who spout this horrible type of shit. It's a slap in the face of players who are able to control themselves that we're treating equinox with such kiddy gloves, especially after the stuff he's posted. i could not imagine being trans and opening the discord to see shit straight out of some fucking lolcow cesspit, and feeling anything other than total resignation.

We seem to have a very strong attachment to the idea of freedom of expression even when said freedom of expression actively belittles and marginalises other swathes of our community. It's better than it was say 2 years ago, apparently, but we still have a long way to go. - my opinions are my own here, and dont reflect upon the opinion of the staff team.

 

[ItsLiam]

honestly i'm with you on this 100% and if i had executive control of willard networks, he'd have been permanently banned in game as well as in discord. This isnt the first time we've been strangely lax on people who spout this horrible type of shit. It's a slap in the face of players who are able to control themselves that we're treating equinox with such kiddy gloves, especially after the stuff he's posted. i could not imagine being trans and opening the discord to see shit straight out of some fucking lolcow cesspit, and feeling anything other than total resignation.

We seem to have a very strong attachment to the idea of freedom of expression even when said freedom of expression actively belittles and marginalises other swathes of our community. It's better than it was say 2 years ago, apparently, but we still have a long way to go.

Apparently we accept Racism and Transphobia but we draw the line at breaking FailRP. I'd imagine it being incredibly demotivating for people when someone is being Racist and Transphobic and Homophobic and they are allowed to function almost perfectly fine in Willard, even getting insta-accepted into a Faction where people have been waiting for 2(!) months.

People tend to think "Freedom of Speech" is anything, but "Freedom of Speech" ends when you're being hateful towards a group/individual. And then he has the nerve to make a complaint thread about his behaviour and say it's dumb that he got perma-muted.

In my opinion the only good outcome should be to ban them, otherwise the example is being given that these kinds of things are allowed and are actually supported, because, like I said, the man gets insta-accepted into a Faction despite his behaviour. It's incredibly weird that there has to be a role made specifically for this guy so that the server can function normally.

Imagine all of the people that HAVE been banned for Racism/Transphobia/Homophobia still being in Willard and being allowed to play on the server because of a role.

 

[Asimo1234]

Apparently we accept Racism and Transphobia but we draw the line at breaking FailRP.

FailRP is punished on a server-based level. I don't recall that you were also banned from the discord for it.
WN as a community is server oriented. And our rules mostly regulate behavior on the server, to keep it "immersive" and "enjoyable" for those who wish to partake in the roleplay offered.

The actions described here are not (completely) related to what they did on the server.

There's a difference in the two, but one can certainly look at a person's ooc behavior and judge if we wish for them to have any form of contact with the community.

I'm not saying anything about right or wrong. I am simply stating that there is a difference to the context and how thing are applied between server, discord and forum.

That's simply how I personally see it. This doesn't reflect the official position of the staff team.

 

[ItsLiam]

FailRP is punished on a server-based level. I don't recall that you were also banned from the discord for it.
WN as a community is server oriented. And our rules mostly regulate behavior on the server, to keep it "immersive" and "enjoyable" for those who wish to partake in the roleplay offered.

The actions described here are not (completely) related to what they did on the server.

There's a difference in the two, but one can certainly look at a person's ooc behavior and judge if we wish for them to have any form of contact with the community.

I'm not saying anything about right or wrong. I am simply stating that there is a difference to the context and how thing are applied between server, discord and forum.

That's simply how I personally see it. This doesn't reflect the official position of the staff team.

So in your opinion someone can say anything they want on the discords with no further punishment on GMOD itself? That's a flaw in the server and it's rules. People should be held accountable and like Robert said :


This isn't a one time occurance, the person doing these things should be held accountable especially if it's not their first time doing so.

FailRP might have been a bad example, but people can be racist/transphobic/homophobic in game and be banned for it, but when they do it on the forums/discord it's completely fine? That's bullshit.

 

[Asimo1234]

So in your opinion someone can say anything they want on the discords with no further punishment on GMOD itself? That's a flaw in the server and it's rules. People should be held accountable and like Robert said :

This isn't a one time occurance, the person doing these things should be held accountable especially if it's not their first time doing so.

FailRP might have been a bad example, but people can be racist/transphobic/homophobic in game and be banned for it, but when they do it on the forums/discord it's completely fine? That's bullshit.

If you read what I said that I wasn't referring to right or wrong. I'm not saying that their behavior is just or unjust because I currently do not feel comfortable making that call as definitively as would be needed to apply a ban.

 

[Fallizs]

yo where's my whitelist at

 

[RedHotGinger]

Woah, Deja Vu.

Was going to make some long-ass post, but honestly, its simpler to just point out this shit is not this big of a deal. It was already settled in another thread, which this is just a remake of, and even uses the exact same images from it. So it seems pretty clear that you either weren't even aware or didn't care until after that thread was made. When it comes to calling out people over such minor things as memes, the problem is that it can always be deflected back. You, for example, have made light and mocked the N-word multiple times. It's minor as all hell and I would say doesn't matter, but when we start with crap like this it turns to hypocrisy.

Were the memes funny? One was. The "I'm about to get transphobic" line is completely banal, and the other two are not seemingly even jokes and the only ones you can cry wolf about. The reason that mob rule of this style is bad is because the goal post of what is 'offensive' moves every single day and is entirely dependent on the person in question. Some of the very same people calling for Equinox's ban are the exact same people that say or do offensive shit themselves, either publicly or privately.

This man should be banned and blacklisten from all factions. It's absolute blasphemy that some people have been waiting their Vort application for god knows how long, and this individual gets his application accepted within a few days.

I have to wonder how much of this post was influenced by his rapid acceptance into this faction, as opposed to the offensive content you claim inspired it.

I don't have any real connection to Equinox, most of our interactions have only ever been me disagreeing with how he writes Vortigaunts, but shit likes this can slip out of control quickly and I don't want a sensitive vocal minority to gain the ability to start freaking out over every single perceived slight.

 

[Rabid]

I don't want a sensitive vocal minority to gain the ability to start freaking out over every single perceived slight.

Counter point; WN opened in 2021 with a channel specifically dedicated to the most offensive and deplorable memes possible that wasn't cleaned up for so long that it became a joke to the other large communities at the time.

It was only then, when the staff team realized how bad it looked for the community that WN took any sort of action at all.

Equinox is one of those very bad optics moments. In any other community he would have been kicked to the curb the second he pulled that shit last year during pride month, to say nothing of the fact based on him skipping the line to get into the faction it looks like outright bias in his favor now.

I could get myself permabanned right now if I decided to spout some Nazi/racist rhetoric, why does someone who's disguised it behind memes and victimhood get 5-6 passes?

 

[RedHotGinger]

why does someone who's disguised it behind memes and victimhood get 5-6 passes?

Because what many claim is nazism in disguise is often nothing more than a slightly zesty joke. We live in a time where everything people don't like is assigned to its relative extreme. Its a reactionary age, and many people cannot be trusted to make good calls. I will again remind you of the SS incident not too long ago.

Counter point; WN opened in 2021 with a channel specifically dedicated to the most offensive and deplorable memes possible that wasn't cleaned up for so long that it became a joke to the other large communities at the time.

Correlation does not equal causation. 2021 has nothing to do with this and is irrelevant both by time and relation. This is about the present and what someone posted during it.

 

[Rabid]

Because what many claim is nazism in disguise is often nothing more than a slightly zesty joke. We live in a time where everything people don't like is assigned to its relative extreme. Its a reactionary age, and many people cannot be trusted to make good calls. I will again remind you of the SS incident not too long ago.

The problem, in my eyes, is that people can - and do - hide anything behind it being a "slightly zesty joke". Its the go-to defence. I wanna point out that Equinox knew full well what he was doing by stirring the pot last year regarding his beliefs; there was absolutely no joke in that and when he rightly got backlash for it he played the victim card and riled people up until he got reinstated in his position.

As for the SS incident - wasn't that once again Equinox (who is openly religious and disapproves of Pride month/LGBT/etc) deciding to make a weirdly out of place religious event in June? Like I don't think he somehow forgot that.

Obviously I'm not saying every action like that is meant to harm. But Equinox has made his opinions known loud and clear more than once. Is it really a joke or innocent if he, y'know, actually believes it behind the joke?

Correlation does not equal causation. 2021 has nothing to do with this and is irrelevant both by time and relation. This is about the present and what someone posted during it.

My point is that WN opened the door for this sort of thing to be seen as acceptable, and continues to do so because it chooses to er on the side of "maybe they're not so bad" unless it literally can't be denied - and sometimes not even then.

 

[rey.jazzy]

i'm not completely in the know about wtf is going on rn, but if u ask me. shit like homophobia, racism and anti-semitism boils down to biggotry which in any case isn't acceptable. it's immature, insensitive and by no stretch is it appropriate just cuz he says it's a "joke" Lol.

ppl get rlly brave when they're able to say BS like that w/o repercussions because of the screen they hide behind. obviously from what i've gleaned, this kinda behavior has no place anywhere n it's pretty embarrassing on the part of WN staff to have allowed this to go on for as long as it has. i've got my own dislikes n reasons for ppl but i'm smart enough to know to keep it to myself

maybe among friends these kinda behavioral antics r less troublesome cuz it's behind closed doors and nobody else has to b subjected to it, but in a more public setting u need to know what is and isn't appropriate. that doesn't just apply to online spaces but literally everywhere u go

p.s an underage child receiving a yr long ban BEFORE a grown ass man who's been up to these kinda shenanigans is pretty ridiculous. i get the whole staff thing is entirely volunteer work, but if nobody's gonna step up to the plate then wtf is the point?

 

[Kamilisha Haijulikani]

p.s an underage child receiving a yr long ban BEFORE a grown ass man who's been up to these kinda shenanigans is pretty ridiculous. i get the whole staff thing is entirely volunteer work, but if nobody's gonna step up to the plate then wtf is the point?

no this is completely understandable.

 

[Fentsoldier153]

This is why MCP is a mistake

 

[Robert]

When someone makes a remark, offensive comment or make light of the serious situation and then say "Oh, its just a joke", it more often than not is an abused term because generally the person did mean what they said and know that by saying "Its just a joke" they can deflect blame and responsibility. A form of downplaying of situation all to save their own skin.

Anyone can claim everything they say is a joke- hence why it quickly loses its value. And when Equinox does something that would've got anyone else insta perm banned- and considering Equinox's track record, I can't believe anything he posts to be a joke in any regard, and even if it was, its not funny and its against Discord TOS/Guidelines as making light of anything anyone fun offensive or taking George Floyd for example, slapping some shit on it to try make it funny is indeed what Discord classifies as Hateful content as well as many others.

And speaking of Equinox once more, not only does he have a track record, but he repeats the offense time and time again, knowing that what he is doing is not allowed. He gets a free pass though because I have no fuckin clue why- nor why anyone would protect him when he is quite simply aware of what he is doing and its consequence, currently just somehow getting away with it- which is piss poor from a management POV.

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To clarify however, I really don't care about what Equinox's posts as it doesn't personally offend me, however, I do care when I see someone getting away with something literally anyone else would be given a straight perma ban for creating a environment of bias and setting a precedent of "Come into the friends club and post all the nasty shiz you want and get away with it!!!"

 

[Rabid]

I think the real concern is why WN's "meme culture" revolves around being offensive to be funny to the point that there's enough concern of 'a vocal sensetive minority' weaponizing it, rather than just banning the offending person.

WN made a very big show of fixing the problem it made itself in 2021 with the awful racist and shitty meme channel but this makes it feel like they did the bare minimum to get people to shut up and stop talking about it. Again; I could spout Nazi ideology and I'd be banned on the spot - why is there a concerted effort by some players and staff to justify Equinox's blatant shitty behaviour?

 

[FungletheBungle]

The problem, in my eyes, is that people can - and do - hide anything behind it being a "slightly zesty joke". Its the go-to defence. I wanna point out that Equinox knew full well what he was doing by stirring the pot last year regarding his beliefs; there was absolutely no joke in that and when he rightly got backlash for it he played the victim card and riled people up until he got reinstated in his position.

As for the SS incident - wasn't that once again Equinox (who is openly religious and disapproves of Pride month/LGBT/etc) deciding to make a weirdly out of place religious event in June? Like I don't think he somehow forgot that.

Obviously I'm not saying every action like that is meant to harm. But Equinox has made his opinions known loud and clear more than once. Is it really a joke or innocent if he, y'know, actually believes it behind the joke?



My point is that WN opened the door for this sort of thing to be seen as acceptable, and continues to do so because it chooses to er on the side of "maybe they're not so bad" unless it literally can't be denied - and sometimes not even then.

Don't talk if you don't have a basic understanding of the facts. I was the one involved in SS not Equinox. I also doubt you know a single thing about said event beyond what another sensitive prick would have told you.

Also stop being so sensitive.

 

[ultima]

Don't talk if you don't have a basic understanding of the facts. I was the one involved in SS not Equinox. I also doubt you know a single thing about said event beyond what another sensitive prick would have told you.

Also stop being so sensitive.

almost forgot about u bud

 

[M3ntal]

All this looks like to me is a classic case of schrodinger's douchebag

 

[FungletheBungle]

almost forgot about u bud

I was on a trip abroad for the last 2 weeks