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dno

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Steam Name:
Dno

SteamID:
STEAM_0:0:98044988

Name of the Admin you were banned by:
@Leudoberct

How long is the ban for?:
Permanently

The reason you were banned?:

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Why do you wish to be unbanned?:


I wish to dispute this ban because I do not believe I had broken any rules at the time while also wishing to get into the community once again. Had I not been exiled under a false claim I would've done this sooner

To start I’d wanna get out of the way that I did not intentionally hold off this appeal in hopes of anyone forgetting this incident. When Leudocrat had banned me he claimed I have accepted an agreement to never get a chance at appealing my ban, which I never said or agreed to, ever. My former ban appeal listed that any offence would result in a permaban. While playing I did not break the rules and would’ve gone ahead with appealing the ban but since Leudocrat banned me from the discords, forums, and any other platform I was simply unable to dispute my ban until I had reached out to upper administration in late May.

I’ll compile my arguement on why I believe I have not broken the rules in the section below.

Do you have any picture or video evidence to support your reason?:

To start its clear that Leudocrat didn’t ban me in a correct manner. He looked at who I was rather than the actual offense. No time was taken to get my side of the story, or anyone elses at the time of the incident. Me and the banning staff had gotten into multiple arguments weeks prior to this ban, one being that week after a TBC left an unarmored person unscaved after a gun fight but also when Leudocrat spawned xen props outside my group’s base and said any attempt at removing them would yield in failure.

This isn’t an attempt to bash the banning staff member. I simply wish to point out that we we’ren’t on the best of terms when he had banned me, making the entire exile from the community a bit off. Being banned from the forums and discord, as well as the false claim that I had agreed to never appeal a ban and also take a ban from the discord, forums, and event/expedition servers to be odd.

Now, aside from me pointing out the past me and the banning staff member have, I’ll move onto the actual offence. I was banned for making a ‘minge character’ and ‘mingerunning’ into the Nexus. Since this is basically two rule breaks I’ll divide it down into two paragraphs to cover both accusations

Firstly to start with the claim of my doctor character being a ‘minge/throwaway character’ is not really correct. Albeit the character was new I was playing on it due to the fact I had donated that week and one slot was freed up for a character that had been PKed earlier. The character itself RPed since its creation all the way to its deletion, in this case a PK. Never sported any minge description, used it to metagame, or anything that would define it as a minge character. The character was just new at the time.

Now the mingerunning into the Nexus wasn’t mingerunning or NITRP. After the detainment of everyone near slums it was clear the CPs were out to encircle whoever was related to the recent event (I believe it was a shotcop at the time, although I am not too sure). With everyone restrained and transported to the Nexus’s Courtyard CPs began to kneel everyone onto the floor. Some standing behind them with their weapons aimed (Seen in the photo below). Out of character I had assumed we were all being NLR killed so I had walked away to the end and slowly crept into the bunker. Waiting for the Civil Protection to clear from the entryway before cutting my restraints with the assistance of an admin ( @goose from what I remember). After my character was set free from his restraints the officers still remaining close to the bunker I decided to move out of it and hover around to the pillar, assuming that anyone coming in and out of the barracks/CP door, would not be able to spot me.

Making it to the pillar the Nexus door was open so I tucked my char behind the wall, attached to the door. While moving, from what I remember, an officer spotted my character so he’d book it. Moving up into the elevator and making my way up into the offices. From there I hid in the cushioned seats of one of the seats, calling for staff after spotting three boxes of grenades. Scanner, played my milkman, flies directly through the doors. CPs come in and initiate TBC. Character is PKed. Two days later I am banned, only after an argument I made with Neonity and Milk regarding whether or not scanners should be able to simply phase through doors without any IC interaction.

Since this appeal has taken quite a bit of time I’ll do a quick summary on why I believe the ban should be revoked.
  1. The banning staff member has a bad history with me
    1. He banned me from all platforms, without getting my side of the story
    2. Claimed I had accepted a deal where I would let admins ban me for any reason seen fit (Never did, he sort of put words in my mouth.)
    3. The ban came after an argument with Neonity rather than days before, making no sense because it would’ve been easy to get my side of the story within that timeframe had an actual player report been made.
  2. The character was NOT a throwaway
    1. Made after a character slot was freed up later that week
    2. Back story was underway all through the day he was created until his PK
  3. Mingerunning doesn’t really fit what I did, from how I see it.
    1. It was evident CPs were out to harm the detainees
    2. My character did not break FearRP, sneaking away when unnoticed.
    3. My character hid away from CPs until his find. I wasn’t going in to spam announcements or do anything malicious. My goal for the character was for him to hide until CPs left and then escape from the courtyard watchtower.

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Never accepted a deal to where I’d allow admins to ban me, with no chance at appealing. The banning staff just made that part up.

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Forum exile, which prohibited me from posting an appeal until I spoke to Upper Adminstration. My discords were banned from the short stories, main, as well as undergreound at the sametime.

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The line of detainees with most on their knees, CPs behind them. As told in my version of events.

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All detainees sent to their knees, with CPs behind them. 3 minutes before my character had left the bunker cover.
(Unrestrained by admin Goose, after a roll)


Were there any witnesses who can help in this appeal?:

@Goose
Was there for the incident, unrestrained my character during his escape attempt.

@Jacob
With the detainees from what I can remember.
 
Not really, don't remember the scenario. I just banned on Neonity's behalf due to her being unable to get on the server. She was the one who witnessed his rulebreak and askes dor him to be banned after discussion in staff chat.
 
her being unable to get on the server.
She was the one who witnessed his rulebreak
If she wasn't on the server at the time then how did she know everything was certain and that rules were being broken?

Also... I wasn't banned within hours of the incident. I was banned after getting into the argument with her regarding whether or not scanners should be able to fly through doors. Doesn't sit right knowing how the ban wasn't immediate she only ordered my ban after I debated with her in the discord but also the fact that it wasn't done by an admin who was on the server and witnessed everything firsthand.

^Bare in mind an admin (Goose, from what I can recall) had uncuffed my character while he did his escape attempt. It would be pretty weird for the admin who was on the server and had actually witnessed what happened to not ban me, but an admin who wasn't on the server to. One witnessed the incident first hand while the other was told through discord (Broken telephone kind of). May be possible that they didn't get the whole story. Goose, or another admin uncuffing my character during his escape seen in the 5th photo

Thread created after a discussion in #server-discussion: https://willard.network/forums/threads/thoughts-on-scanners-flying-through-doors.5311/#post-38406

Overall the fact that Neyoon ordered my ban while not even on the server is quite odd, it adds on

A) She didn't witness the full story. Or was told an improper one through discord.
B) My former argument of me being banned after arguing with Neyoon became sort of primary
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C) I and Neyoon have gotten into arguments before, mainly over their faction (OTA) and the state of rebel RP which they were very against. This isn't a really proper point to argue on as I do not have the exact logs (They can be found by looking at messages between us in the rebel and main discord, dno#0777 is my discord) but I would still assume the ban was aimed at me without a 2nd thought.

My discord and forums were banned directly after the ban so its clear they were looking at me directly rather than actually moderating (A bit of speculation, but seeing how the forum's ban was completely offset and had to be undone by Upper Administration hints that they really wanted me out of the community and went as far as to lie about me agreeing to an exile and then exile me without Server Management approval.)

D) 3rd, maybe 4th offense ever, in my time here. I had been playing Willard since it was just an event server going all the way through V1 to where the community is at today. Both of my bans were done by staff who were notorious for handing out bans with ease. I actually would've gone to debate with Swagile on my first ban if it wasn't for the fact he'd been calling me a minge and cursing people out on the forums prior so I just apologized for it.
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Ending that here, thank you for your insight into issuing the ban. I apologize for speculating that you were the sole decider in this.
 
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She witnessed it while on server, but djd not act on it then. There was debate in staff channels over whether it was enough to be a ban, which she then decided on later.
 
She witnessed it while on server, but djd not act on it then. There was debate in staff channels over whether it was enough to be a ban, which she then decided on later.

So. They had witnessed everything, didn’t apply a ban then.

But then ordered a ban after I debated with them about scanner characters being able to go through walls. Day(s) after the incident occurred.

The delay in time seems weird because if they didn’t apply the ban immediately there was time to still get my story. There was plenty of admins on at the time and although it’s not forbidden from banning a player after the fact but there was plenty of staff on and two that were present during the supposed rule break. So it doesn’t make sense that neyoon wouldnt ban me when it happened. They would ban me AFTER the argument over and unrelated situation.

Plus there’s still the debate over whether my actions were against the rules or not. it had taken them quite some time to get together whether or not what my character did was against the rules it’s evident that what I did at the time didn’t go against anything, because if two admins witnessed it there would be no call for debate if it was that apparent.

If an admin could retrieve the logs of what they said that would show why Neyoon though a ban should be placed @Maroon @Leudoberct
 
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@Maroon my apologies, forgot to add this earlier.

While in this ban appeal I am still disputing the ban reason, as I believe I had not broken any rules during the scenario. I'd just like to add to the possibility that the ban was also biased due to the terms me and Neonity were on and the ban occurring the day we had an argument regarding scanners being able to freely clip through doors.

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Thread created after the argument in the Willard discord where me and Salty told Neyoon that scanners shouldn't be able to fly through doors just because its a game mechanic and has no in-character sense.

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My ban from the forums, server, and discord less than several hours after the argument in the discord and nearly 2-3 days after the supposed rulebreaks.
 

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You'll excuse me if I don't buy the 'I was just trolling' excuse.

Denied.
 
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