Gulag Abuse?

[Alfie]

Look, I honestly cannot believe that I'm writing this... With discontent and with general juridical judgment, can someone please tell me that this is an unjustified action of "flerk"?.



I honestly wasn't in the mood to make an entire Admin Abuse Appeal so the entire public could view this. Not only would It be utterly unnecessary but also would it cause unwanted drama and attention. But it feels like standards like these must be questioned. I will explain my entire side of the story and give my context about it. I would gladly want to hear what Flerk says about this especially based on the evidence soon provided, it seems more like an attempt of a power trip along with targeted harassment without reasonable context behind it.

But to start off this entire show, I was just today reminded that the possibility to become stalker'rised was actually a thing in Willards. You could be granted the Stalker Whitelist and it would act as a secondary PK if your character were to be amputated by Combine Forces. A while back, I can't remember the exact details about the situation but basically, two Civil Protection Officers along with a Rank Leader had given me a recommendation along with the commendation of becoming stalker'rised to a prior PK. I was excpliticty told to save the logs as proof for the future in case any problems were to erupt. And low and behold, flerk has decided to turn this entire stalker situation into quite a mess.

I remember saving the in-game logs on my computer so I could withdraw the Stalker Whitelist another time, but it looks like in all honesty I cannot find the files for it. But I can with certainty say that if anyone of you decides to dig around my character chat logs the proof defiantly exist on the server.

But today I decided to approach an Officer IC & OOCly with the concept that I wish to cash in my Stalker whitelist. He was a bit confused over the idea and called in Neyoon to sort me out. I gladly told Neyoon if I could take it to the DM's so I could fully explain the situation as a whole. Neyoon agreed to the offer and I explained the entire situation that I just explained here. That I had previously been allowed to become stalker'rised by previous encounters and that I still had those requirements.

Neyoon was also a bit unsure about the stalker'isation process as well and personally re-directed me to CP-lead Phoenix to get clear confirmation on the subject. This is the point where Flerk out of the blue enters my In-game PMs after a /help request. He immediately becomes more and more agitated with each message sent without much reason behind why he's so upset. Flerk eventually takes the entire situation into his own hands and outright denies my attempts to get ahold of the whitelist without even knowing the story as to why I was asking about the whitelist in the first place. Completely disregards the entire situation just to have the opportunity to do some sort of weird power trip out of the blue. I eventually told him to relax, and that I need confirmation from an actual CP lead which was explicitly told by Neyoon. That statement alone probably flipped the switch for Flerk as he slams me with a public warning about admin-hopping and threatened me with a ban. Even though I've only spoken to two people which are Neyoon and Phoneix. On top of all this, Flerk also lies about me contacting Votten about the Stalker Whitelist which is not true as I've not spoken to Votten whatsoever. And seems to be an all-out lie in the possibility of targeting and harassing me with either warns or bans that I'm Admin-hopping between staff.

Can someone please look into this as this seems to be an utterly caught in process of targeted harassment based on either personal or biased opinions. No one randomly enters your in-game PM's and acts in this manner, and out of the blue slapped with a false warn about admin-hopping. Even though I've only spoken to two people and one of them re-directed me to the other. Imagine if a new player asked about the general concept of stalker'isation and gets met with this level of administration from an admin? Completely unprofessional standards by Flerk without being provoked whatsoever. Shame.

Maybe I missed something or wasn't clear enough on a specific subject. Otherwise, feel free to provide your own opinion

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[0xNiklas]

Shit went out of hand too quickly. I'd advise to show more of the private chats (If you agree) to see the full chat. If there is only Neyoon literally saying "Yeah go to Phoniex" then alright. Admin hopping? Idk man. Seems like re-directing to the CP Lead . Threating a Ban for asking a WL that had IC purpose and backstory is kinda hard. Next time you ask for a WL you got over application and you get a IP-Ban with no appeal on you

 

[Max vice]

I am only curious where does this warrant a warning for asking about a specific whitelist.

 

[Alfie]

I'll provide more Chat logs and whatnot tommorow as it's rather late for me. I appreciate the feedback lads.

 

[Phoenix]

Hi.

Yes, Alfie was re-directed to me by Neyoon. Excuse my NA timezone, but they both correlate by 4pm and 0 respectively.

Flerk was updated through this because we spoke about it in Staff Chat during our conversation. Flerk has full context of your messages with Neon and also I.

I told you at 4:33pm that we are not going to have any more stalkers.

You continued to message Flerk IG as if you were still at chance to receive the whitelist. I informed Flerk that you were told of the WL denial due to the faction basically being defunct.

Here, you ask him full minutes after this message I sent you if he is able to hand out a whitelist.

Excuse the formatting. I cannot get reverse order on logs through the webpage. But we can see here you are still messaging flerk about it. Not sure why you are trying to hide the fact that you've already been denied the whitelist through our DM's.

Then you bring up a strange change of topic where you say 'I was just going to debate about the process' even though you had just one message before asked for the WL and that you were recommended it by other CP's.

This isn't abuse at all. If anything the warning is fully in right because you continued to act as though you were ready to receive your whitelist even though it was declined.

 

[Sev]

I honestly wasn't in the mood to make an entire Admin Abuse Appeal so the entire public could view this. Not only would It be utterly unnecessary but also would it cause unwanted drama and attention.

Yet you actually cause more drama this way than actually making a report would. Grow up. You know what you're doing when you clearly omit certain details (this is clear due to Pheonix's reply) in order to make someone look bad. Include all the context next time please.

 

[Leudoberct]

Phoenix hit the nail on the head. This warning is more than justified. The fact that you then took it to a public complaint to try and besmirch Flerk over it is appalling. Incredibly petty.

 

[Deleted member 418]

All I have to say is that you're obnoxious to handle and this isn't the first time you've done this. In fact, you have a track record of not knowing your limits when staff tells you stop, and you keep on digging and pushing.

The warning is more than lenient in my opinion, and you should be happy I didn't outright ban you for going from person to person late at night pestering them about your whitelist that - by the way - literally contributes nothing to the server, has been defunct in weeks and no one will celebrate you having it.

With this in mind, please, with all due respect, get a grip, Alfie.

 

[Blitz]

I honestly think it may be a language barrier / miscommunication and the fact that intentions can be difficult to convey via text that lead to the confusion and squabble. To me it seems like Alfie may have genuinely been curious about the process of getting the whitelist and, due to the presumed promise of cashing it in later, may have misunderstood the replies they received in their perceived conviction that the whitelist was entitled to them.

I do think it strange though, that Alfie points out the "out of the blue" nature of Flerk since it looks like from the logs that he provided himself, (and by the logs provided by Phoenix) that they themselves initiated contact to a Community Manager (Flerk being the responder).

The warning seems fair enough to me, but I would personally have preferred an explanation to a warning as they may be ill received and convey the wrong message while also feeling like an attack that one ought to defend against.

 

[Deleted member 418]

I honestly think it may be a language barrier / miscommunication and the fact that intentions can be difficult to convey via text that lead to the confusion and squabble. To me it seems like Alfie may have genuinely been curious about the process of getting the whitelist and, due to the presumed promise of cashing it in later, may have misunderstood the replies they received in their perceived conviction that the whitelist was entitled to them.

I do think it strange though, that Alfie points out the "out of the blue" nature of Flerk since it looks like from the logs that he provided himself, (and by the logs provided by Phoenix) that they themselves initiated contact to a Community Manager (Flerk being the responder).

The warning seems fair enough to me, but I would personally have preferred an explanation to a warning as they may be ill received and convey the wrong message while also feeling like an attack that one ought to defend against.

This is not the first instance of him doing something like this, he's got a long standing history with staff of demanding things and being entitled. He is very well aware of what he's doing, and it's no isolated instance. It was explained to him through and through in DMs and by me in a short and concise manner why he can't have the whitelist, and if anyone is curious:

Those are my responses to him. I think it's audacious to ask for a Community Manager when you're being told NO by the very faction that manages them; it's like your average Karen at the tech store demanding to speak the district manager when the store one already tells you how things are and why it can't happen.

Phoenix told him, as a faction leader, that he won't receive the whitelist. A few minutes later, he kicks off the conversation with:

Now picture this: if it had not been me, the normal admin, taking this request, he'd of asked this instead to a Community Manager who, by the way, also would of told you exactly the same thing. They won't overrule faction leaders in those matters.

As I said in my previous post, please, get a grip Alfie and realize that the server isn't your oyster and you can't demand things under the pretence of having a "normal debate" because all of staff knows, that's not the case.

And it also doesn't help that you're outright lying in this report.

 

[NEYO]

Yo,

I have experienced your particular sense of entitlement firsthand and it has become tiresome, dealing with you brings on my PTSD caused by Bottlestreet, anyway I won't drag this out.

As I can see from the logs provided this doesn't paint a picture of admin abuse, rather someone upset over a warning that is entirely warranted. Stalker WL along with all over whitelists are chosen by the factions leads, if you were unhappy with the decision made by phoenix you could have approached the other CP leads(Neyoon is an OTA lead, not a CP lead.) for their input, I have no doubt it would have remained a denial of course but atleast you would be "pestering" the correct people. Admins & CMs do not decide who may or may not join a faction and contacting them in attempt to catch them at an uninformed stage on the matter in order to get a quick WL handout is kinda cringe not going to lie. I will concede if you were a new player/community member or this was your first instance of something similiar to this, I might argue for them to atleast give you a verbal warning before it escalated to threatening a ban, however as we all know neither of those things are the case and you knew full well what you were doing. I am no fan of you leaving out key contextual elements of this situation, it has left me to believe you're intentionally miscommunicating what has transpired to rally support while you try to smear the reputation of certain members of staff.

I will not be taking this any further, this report will be denied and I suggest you rethink your actions in future.