Keim's Warning Appeal

[ActuallyRakaesa]

Steam Name: Atomically Wrinkled Brain
SteamID: STEAM_0:0:14652863

Name of the Admin you were warned by: Cengo
The reason you were warned?: S2K Distance / S2K on a previously s2rp situation
Why do you wish to have the warning removed?:
After the warning, I called for a second opinion from other admins, and spoke with @Astro in PMs. Astro seemed to have ruled that the distance was appropriate for S2K, but told me that I had still engaged in S2K in a 's2rp situation'. However, nowhere in the S2K rules is it stated that you cannot engage S2K on someone who is s2rping (that you're not actively s2rping with or in combat with.) I've seen this done several times in the past and it was never an issue with admins, so I'm not sure why Cengo seemed biased against me in this instance. In addition, they state that you do not require a reaction from the target.



As far as I can tell, no rules were broken.

Do you have any picture or video evidence to support your reason?: Negative

Were there any witnesses who can help in this appeal?: (List the steam and/or character names of them or tag them)

Michael Wards ('Sushi' on Steam) & one other guy who was in the situation, but I didn't get his name.

 

[Cengiz]

Hello @ActuallyRakaesa

Since i am the Admin who warned you for this Rule-break will i also post my Statement here, i asked a Ban-Manager for approval before posting my Statement. I warned you for the following Rule-break :

SHOOT 2 KILL & SHOOT 2 ROLEPLAY Information | Melee combat or Close Quarters combat is usually enforced as S2RP -> Used S2K in close range | Feel Free to Appeal

I warned you for the Rule-Break since you actively started a Shoot 2 Kill fire-fight in Close Quarters combat where Shoot 2 Roleplay was already active. You did not ask the other players for permission to start a Shoot 2 Kill fire-fight nor did you not leave them any time to respond to you.

You can not simply turn a Shoot 2 Roleplay Combat Situation, into a Shoot 2 Kill Initiation. The Rules clearly state that All forms of S2K Combat do not require a response from any Player but that only counts for Combat were S2K was there to begin with.

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Now to the Situation went like this in a Nutshell.​

1. Charles Robinson Someperson is robbing Micheal Yards Sushi for some reason
2. Winston Smith Komchan and Keim Rider Automically Winkeld Brain come through the door and start to investigate things
3. Winston Smith Komchan tries hitting Charles Robinson Someperson with a Crowbar [ S2RP starts here ! ]
4. Winston Smith Komchan losses against Charles Robinson Someperson and Charles Manages to get the Crowbar off his hands
5. Winston Smith Komchan is being pushed back or moves towards the wall on the left and Charles Robinson Someperson faces Keim Reider Automically Winkeld Brain
6. Keim Rider Automically Winkeld Brain pulls out his weapon and starts shooting at Charles Robinson Someperson from the Red Point. ( Without any warning nor information in S2RP )

And i am not biased against you @ActuallyRakaesa or another player on this server, i am just doing my Job. Thank you for reading my Statement.​

 

[ActuallyRakaesa]

Hello @ActuallyRakaesa

Since i am the Admin who warned you for this Rule-break will i also post my Statement here, i asked a Ban-Manager for approval before posting my Statement. I warned you for the following Rule-break :

SHOOT 2 KILL & SHOOT 2 ROLEPLAY Information | Melee combat or Close Quarters combat is usually enforced as S2RP -> Used S2K in close range | Feel Free to Appeal

I warned you for the Rule-Break since you actively started a Shoot 2 Kill fire-fight in Close Quarters combat where Shoot 2 Roleplay was already active. You did not ask the other players for permission to start a Shoot 2 Kill fire-fight nor did you not leave them any time to respond to you.

You can not simply turn a Shoot 2 Roleplay Combat Situation, into a Shoot 2 Kill Initiation. The Rules clearly state that All forms of S2K Combat do not require a response from any Player but that only counts for Combat were S2K was there to begin with.

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Now to the Situation went like this in a Nutshell.​

1. Charles Robinson Someperson is robbing Micheal Yards Sushi for some reason
2. Winston Smith Komchan and Keim Rider Automically Winkeld Brain come through the door and start to investigate things
3. Winston Smith Komchan tries hitting Charles Robinson Someperson with a Crowbar [ S2RP starts here ! ]
4. Winston Smith Komchan losses against Charles Robinson Someperson and Charles Manages to get the Crowbar off his hands
5. Winston Smith Komchan is being pushed back or moves towards the wall on the left and Charles Robinson Someperson faces Keim Reider Automically Winkeld Brain
6. Keim Rider Automically Winkeld Brain pulls out his weapon and starts shooting at Charles Robinson Someperson from the Red Point. ( Without any warning nor information in S2RP )

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And i am not biased against you @ActuallyRakaesa or another player on this server, i am just doing my Job. Thank you for reading my Statement.​

I understand the situation. I was a little bit further from the door than that, as Astro witnessed, and I was outside of melee range. I wasn't actually engaged in the S2RP (I made no actions and no actions were made against me, I was an observer), and by the time I engaged in combat, no combat /me's were being made, the hazmat guy with the crowbar was telling people to get on the wall. But I've seen several instances of people engaging in S2K on someone else that was involved in s2rp that the person s2k'ing had not been actively involved with. Melee combat is enforced as S2RP, but I was not engaged in melee combat, nor was I in melee range.

EDIT: Also, upon taking out my gun and readying to aim it, the hazmat guy also closed the door without any /me, which implies S2K...Because otherwise he would have to roleplay shutting the door. He shut it before any shots could be fired.

EDIT2: To clarify, door was initially open. I was several steps away from the door in the hall. I pulled out my gun, and hazmat guy immediately shut the door with no RP. I then had to approach the door in order to open it.

 

[Fedora]

hi, sorry for this taking so long.


we have decided to keep the warn on record as it seems fine to keep.

as stated, there was a s2rp situation when you decided to do s2k and while you've seen this done several times in the past doesn't make it right within the ruleset. if you see it happen, contact staff