Marco FRP report

[Fishy413]

Your Steam Name: Fishy
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:162595846

Their Steam Name(s): Marco
Their SteamID('s): STEAM_0:0:39958603
Do you know their Discord or Forum name(s)?: Marco
Why are you reporting this player?: FRP
Evidence to support your reasoning (Evidence must be clear and it could be logs, pictures or video): https://screenapp.io/app/v/EnrtbGxqnI

Deliberately breaking FRP after being demanded to hold there hands up, instead running way, they had no weapons out therefore subjected to FRP, Even RadX confirming it was FRP
Names of witnesses that can provide extra feedback on this case?: Rad-X

 

[Fishy413]

This situation turned out to later influence my story and char, Which is why im making this rn

 

[Medi]

Can you give a date and time with the time zone you're using so we can work on logs?

Also, please confirm which server.

 

[Fishy413]

Can you give a date and time with the time zone you're using so we can work on logs?

Also, please confirm which server.

Expedition server, approximately 2-3 weeks ago

 

[Fishy413]

Unsure of timezone however

 

[Medi]

We will look into this and I'll speak with Rad.

I understand a lot happened because of this icly but what changed to make you want to done a complaint now?

 

[Fishy413]

We will look into this and I'll speak with Rad.

I understand a lot happened because of this icly but what changed to make you want to done a complaint now?

this influenced the entire story of my char, causing a PK if the person didnt break FRP, I would have probably PKED them there on the spot, I was planning to capture them then kill them, which then they broke FRP, I was offered a S2K PK which was then cancelled so it lead to me getting pked

 

[Fishy413]

Also Genny said that if the report went through I would have a chance of getting unpked, which is what im trying to do

 

[Fishy413]

Also would like to add, they ran away whilst I was making a /me, which would still fall under failrp, can be confirmed by radx aswell

Marco may say, he thought it was S2K, if that were the case I would have shot him, invalidating his point completely

 

[Genny]

I just want to clear up a misunderstanding. This report misrepresents the situation, the claim that this situation caused your PK is not accurate. This situation was voided and the PK auth revoked, I did not take this into account when looking at your appeal and said to you within direct messages :

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The statement that I told you your PK would be reversed if this report went through is not true. I told you a successful player report could be taken into account. I did not guarantee a reversal or link the two outcomes in the way you describe.

Your story and the reason for this character's death did not turn on this single voided moment but rather the multiple players, including vortiguants, Doves leadership, Ludwig and Emiyo, etc., who discussed the threat IC before anything happened and your overall actions on this character. Everyone acted on shared IC information, not on the outcome of the scene shown in your clip.

That is all.

 

[Fishy413]

I just want to clear up a misunderstanding. This report misrepresents the situation, the claim that this situation caused your PK is not accurate. This situation was voided and the PK auth revoked, I did not take this into account when looking at your appeal and said to you within direct messages :

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The statement that I told you your PK would be reversed if this report went through is not true. I told you a successful player report could be taken into account. I did not guarantee a reversal or link the two outcomes in the way you describe.

Your story and the reason for this character's death did not turn on this single voided moment but rather the multiple players, including vortiguants, Doves leadership, Ludwig and Emiyo, etc., who discussed the threat IC before anything happened and your overall actions on this character. Everyone acted on shared IC information, not on the outcome of the scene shown in your clip.

That is all.

theres been a misconception



Inherently if marco did not break FRP, Ahab (Doctors Alias) would not be discovered in any sense shape or form

I believe the FRP was done in his advantage solely for his benefit, to PK me.

Which leads to my point, he FRPed and then killed me.

So in conclusion

I24 conflict ---> Bunker/bathroom conflict --- > Doctor adopting a disguise ----> Ahab attempting to ambush marco which failed due to failrp ---> Ahab Pked

 

[Fishy413]

Had marco not broken FRP and been PKED, Ahab's disguise would have never been caught, and this report would have never been made to begin with

 

[Medi]

So, realistically speaking, what did you expect Marco do to in this case? Stop and surrender?

I'm just making sure I'm understanding your interpretation of these events and what you feel makes this specifically "FRP". Do you mean fear rp or fail rp?

 

[Fishy413]

So, realistically speaking, what did you expect Marco do to in this case? Stop and surrender?

I'm just making sure I'm understanding your interpretation of these events and what you feel makes this specifically "FRP". Do you mean fear rp or fail rp?

Realistically marco broke both Failrp and Fear RP, Failrp by running away whilst I was performing, Fear RP when I held them at gunpoint issued a command, yet they still ran away.

Marco was expected to hold there position and put there hands up, they were stranded with no help to come

 

[Fishy413]

 

[Fishy413]

marco was in direct violation in both of these articles

 

[Fishy413]

Request a response on this please and ty

 

[Medi]

Right, after careful consideration and conference with both @Rabithunter and @Imperator RAD-X we've come to a rather concrete conclusion on this matter.

First, we acknowledge that this is on the back of a rather long and complicated situation and that this was close to but not the specific start of this overall encounter. During our review of the situation it was determined that two parties were involved in the initial ambush. During the conversation that lead up to the ambush, @Marco had an objectively reasonable reason to be suspicious if not in fear for their safety based on the conversation, location, and general isolation. As such, they were already in motion at the time that the Ambush in question was taking place as seen in the video.

Your character, "Ahab" approached quickly with a weapon already drawn yet there was still a substantial distance between your character and Marco's. Your act of yelling "Hands" completes the RP action and doesn't constitute any requirement on Marco's part to allow you to further close the distance and continue to /me or take other action. If this were the case, anytime someone wanted to run from the CPs, they'd be OOCly punished for failing to stop because the CPs yelled at them with weapons drawn.

In this case, it was determined that Marco's actions were reasonable in light of the circumstances and that "Fear" or "Fail" Roleplay do not apply. Outside of someone being in close range or, more importantly, being approached from behind; the staff team is not inclined to punish individuals for choosing "Flight" from the idea of "Fight or Flight" when it's reasonable to do so. Of course, when someone runs you're allowed to give chase and proceed as necessary and outlined within the rules.

Based on the above listed information this report is DENIED.

P.S. I am aware that Rad previously agreed that this may have constituted FailRP but upon review and further discussion, that is no longer the case. In fact, you were given special PK auths at the time and took action upon them that directly impacted other players. In doing so, that complicated this report substantially.