Official Preliminary Community Feedback Thread

[Purple Knight]

Waiter, waiter! I'd like some roleplay, please!
A stupid rambling about stores​

I consider myself a newgen on WN, so my experience starts at late city-8. A pet peeve that never stopped bugging me was how shops were run. They were so boring and 'lazy'. It felt like stores were only there to farm you some creds, nothing more.

Every one of them was almost identical with minor propping differences, always offering the exact same thing. What happened to being interesting and unique? Where's the sweet roleplay I requested??

Can't offer a solution to my issue, because admittedly I'm very dumb. Buuuut it shouldn't mainly be about those credit, instead it should be about offering roleplay and integrating itself more into the world.

I'd love to see more personality and diversity! Of course, this depends on the playerbase, instead of leadership. However, a push towards roleplay over in-game advantage would be quite nice to see.

Think of the Union section in the Whirling-in-Rags from Disco Elysium, or maybe a salon where your shoe can get polished and clothes taken care of, perhaps a tailor shop where they take your measurements and preference of fabric, then get back to you after waiting a day or two. You are not limited by scripts. Roleplay over Meta!!

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Made in a sudden surge of a once-lost idea, thus it's mainly personal.
Sorry if I kept repeating myself or the opposite, not getting the point across.
Also sorry if I came off as a negative nancy, wasn't my intention.
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This I feel is one of the core tenants of Citizen RP, stores! and while you raise some very valid points, ultimately there's several key unchangable factors when it comes to how good a "store" will be, things like:

Map design
The owner's creativity
The setting

An example of this, is back on the pre-24 city 8 map, it featured a night club-esk building, one from which I ran a business, a club funnily enough, I'd say it was quite successful for the time in which I ran it, it frequently got very high attenance, and due to my character offering services to the likes of the CivPro and Unions, generated some very unique roleplay, especially in the case of the CivPro, who had a cops only night kind of thing, then again, to quote the above, this was mainly due to the big three, the map design had the nightclub prebuilt, so with some modification, it was peak, this as well as my own creativity (yes I'm blowing my own trumpet) to get special nights and generally make the atmosphere inviting for all, and finally, the setting, being in a corrupt city, allowed certain leniencies that I took advantage of.

My point being, I think if someone tried to do exactly the same thing on some of the other maps we had it simply wouldn't have worked, or at least not to the same effect mine had. That being said, there's always opportunities for those creative enough, it's just a matter of finding something realistic that people will go to, to enjoy some peak roleplay and spend money.

For me, one of the most important things that CAN be changed, is the management of whomever is officially in-charge of stores, they should be ensuring stores that operate as nothing more than NPC vendors get turfed out if someone with an actually good idea comes around, people need to make the most of the space they have, because at the end of the day, there's only so many spaces that can be used for stores.

 

[ramen]

Here’s my feedback, as a member of the staff team, watching the internals of the server.

Forget about perfect, and just relaunch already.

It seems to me that a lot of people want this relaunch to be “perfect,” that everything must be the best it can be, and there’s no room for even a teeny-tiny imperfection. I’ll tell you what, we’re playing on a 19 year old game, running a game mode that predates even the game we play it on, it won’t be perfect, it never is.

Summer is almost over, it is already July. Within the next 3-4 weeks, players will be returning to schooling, university, jobs, whatever else. There will be less free time over all. Instead of waiting for that perfect moment, we should release sooner than later to capitalize on the summer free time.

Because it seems to me the issue we’re gonna run into can boil down to:
>Full release in August/September
>Management:” Wow guys, we did it, we released perfectly! The server is so nice!”
>”Wait where’s our entire player base? Why are we averaging 20 people on a good day? Why are our staff so busy outside of the server? Who could’ve predicted releasing after school starts would be a bad idea?!”

tl;dr: Forget perfect. Embrace imperfection. Release already.

 

[joe moter]

Here’s my feedback, as a member of the staff team, watching the internals of the server.

Forget about perfect, and just relaunch already.

It seems to me that a lot of people want this relaunch to be “perfect,” that everything must be the best it can be, and there’s no room for even a teeny-tiny imperfection. I’ll tell you what, we’re playing on a 19 year old game, running a game mode that predates even the game we play it on, it won’t be perfect, it never is.

Summer is almost over, it is already July. Within the next 3-4 weeks, players will be returning to schooling, university, jobs, whatever else. There will be less free time over all. Instead of waiting for that perfect moment, we should release sooner than later to capitalize on the summer free time.

Because it seems to me the issue we’re gonna run into can boil down to:
>Full release in August/September
>Management:” Wow guys, we did it, we released perfectly! The server is so nice!”
>”Wait where’s our entire player base? Why are we averaging 20 people on a good day? Why are our staff so busy outside of the server? Who could’ve predicted releasing after school starts would be a bad idea?!”

tl;dr: Forget perfect. Embrace imperfection. Release already.

My response is delayed by two weeks. Please hold.

 

[Bighomer]

I have to say this.
If you plan to release V3 any time soon, I hope the amount of addons gets cut down.
Since, on EO. It's almost 41GB's worth of addons to play on that server.
It feels excessive.

 

[joe moter]

I have to say this.
If you plan to release V3 any time soon, I hope the amount of addons gets cut down.
Since, on EO. It's almost 41GB's worth of addons to play on that server.
It feels excessive.
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I'll assume 35 of the 41 is weapons.

 

[Ansty]

but for the longest time Willards solution to any problem has been to create a team for it

You are not going to believe this

 

[FungletheBungle]

Here’s my feedback, as a member of the staff team, watching the internals of the server.

Forget about perfect, and just relaunch already.

It seems to me that a lot of people want this relaunch to be “perfect,” that everything must be the best it can be, and there’s no room for even a teeny-tiny imperfection. I’ll tell you what, we’re playing on a 19 year old game, running a game mode that predates even the game we play it on, it won’t be perfect, it never is.

Summer is almost over, it is already July. Within the next 3-4 weeks, players will be returning to schooling, university, jobs, whatever else. There will be less free time over all. Instead of waiting for that perfect moment, we should release sooner than later to capitalize on the summer free time.

Because it seems to me the issue we’re gonna run into can boil down to:
>Full release in August/September
>Management:” Wow guys, we did it, we released perfectly! The server is so nice!”
>”Wait where’s our entire player base? Why are we averaging 20 people on a good day? Why are our staff so busy outside of the server? Who could’ve predicted releasing after school starts would be a bad idea?!”

tl;dr: Forget perfect. Embrace imperfection. Release already.

Map's not ready.

 

[Ansty]

Map's not ready.

Couldn't we go to another C13 map then, its not like we share a universe with EO anymore so we can use theirs, or if thats not possible atleast the C24_V2 C13 reskin

 

[Kappatalist]

You are not going to believe this

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ONE MORE TEAM ONE MORE TEAM NO MORE NO LESS!!!!

 

[FungletheBungle]

Couldn't we go to another C13 map then, its not like we share a universe with EO anymore so we can use theirs, or if thats not possible atleast the C24_V2 C13 reskin

We could also use nutscript instead of helix for stability

 

[Aquilifer]

I have to say this.
If you plan to release V3 any time soon, I hope the amount of addons gets cut down.
Since, on EO. It's almost 41GB's worth of addons to play on that server.
It feels excessive.
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its okay we don't have to worry about that the french devs took all their content back

 

[ramen]

Map's not ready.

D56 is done. That maps completed. Just needs to be propped. We can get the D1 event churning, but we’ve yet to do that

 

[Fregiscard]

Map's not ready.

I hate mapping ! I hate mapping ! I hate mapping !

 

[Salty]

D56 is done. That maps completed. Just needs to be propped. We can get the D1 event churning, but we’ve yet to do that

Yes. Summer is almost over so pop will be good if we do it soon.

 

[Badger]

Given that currently two of the parties are just straight up fascist, I think we already fucked on this front, I had hoped that we would see more moderate parties, showing that the decent into authoritarianism. but I guess we can have full blown fascist day one.

I mean, you got Harmony and Labour, both of which are either moderate or left leaning. We do kind of have a left right and centre thing going rn, which is way more diverse imo than the far right transhumanist status quo of v2

 

[melodicwaste]

I mean, you got Harmony and Labour, both of which are either moderate or left leaning. We do kind of have a left right and centre thing going rn, which is way more diverse imo than the far right transhumanist status quo of v2

I don't understand why people are complaining about moderate parties in the setting that kills people if you're too leftist. Maybe we should dial back the level of Combine control over politics at the risk of the aesthetic to make Everybody have Fun Together

 

[Kamilisha Haijulikani]

The Combine aren't left or right-wing. They're aliens.

 

[fhs15]

I mean, you got Harmony and Labour, both of which are either moderate or left leaning. We do kind of have a left right and centre thing going rn, which is way more diverse imo than the far right transhumanist status quo of v2

I will refer to my previous post about Harmony

I don't understand why people are complaining about moderate parties in the setting that kills people if you're too leftist. Maybe we should dial back the level of Combine control over politics at the risk of the aesthetic to make Everybody have Fun Together

Because we decided to push the timeline forward to early occupation for the exact reason of combine not having total control, and citizens still enjoying some rights