Removal of Houndeye auth

[Donavin Jones]

I was conflicted with doing a PK appeal, but I'll do it here since it makes the most sense.
So, at around 4 AM last night @Liam dm'd me asking if I had a tamed houndeye, which I did. No response when I dm'd him at around 10, then Kaffee pings me in the Vort channel asking why. I gave a simple answer, goose had left char auth and staff team. At first, I thought he left the community (which he didn't, and thats on me sort of.) so I didn't think to bother him about it. Now, I had also taken a good break from willard about a good 2 weeks after I was accepted(this is important), and then willard had the christmas break. So I naturally just forgot about the terms goose gave me, which is to DM him about being tamed. Now, I know under his terms, I broke that trust. But, out right just removing my Houndeye isn't just removing my houndeye char, its removing RP that I have had with it, its removing a good chunk of RP others have had with it as well. Such people I can name are @mmate88 @MelonHeadzzz @Omega and a good countless others I've encountered. Now, looking back would I have dm'd staff for taming? Absolutely, but a staff member Asimo even commented this rather positively. So I naturally thought "Oh, staff like it. That's awesome, I'll be sure to play him more." In the char bio, it even SHOWS its tamed. https://willard.network/forums/threads/dog.8522/ . Now, I was totally fine with having to make my Houndeye more hostile, that was a okay with me. I even suggested that to Kaffee. And for me to have to reapply for a char that I and others have had fun with to me doesn't really sit right. Especially since it just left my head. Would I have asked Goose to be tamed now? Yes, since I now know he still holds authority of that. And considering my char was meant for RP, (not even being given a weapon script till like a week later when server relaunched) I'd like to think he'd be proud of the amount of RP the Houndeye has created, especially while docile.

What I'm asking is, I wish for the decision to be revoked. Like I said, I am super fine with my Houndeye being more hostile. And also due to the fact I'm being DM'd now, considering I've had my houndeye char bio for a good week. So I'd like to think they would have seen it by then, but regardless. I hope members of the Char Auth team can understand, and revoke the decision. As it is both shitty, not only for me. But for a good few people that the Houndeye has made relations with.

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[Donavin Jones]

Adding these as well to show the RP I've had with it, unfortunately I haven't made many screen shots. If anyone has good screenshots WITH my houndeye, please post



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[Asimo1234]

Absolutely, but a staff member Asimo even commented this rather positively.

Just because I read a bio and replied with a shitpost didn't mean I gave any form of permission for being tamed. Hell since I'm not even in the auths team I didn't even know any circumstances for said character.
I just saw Xen Creature #58375 and shitposted something mentioning Xen Creature #27414.
anyways thats all from me

 

[Fallizs]

"breach of contract"
i thought you didnt need to dm goose since he stepped down from auths and for just 2 weeks just before christmas break is mad bro
from what i guess too, you didnt even play the creature for the 2 weeks so why should it go in the first place
after the christmas break is your fault though

 

[Hiros]

Just gonna add this here



No one from Auth team approved your taming.

 

[Donavin Jones]

Just because I read a bio and replied with a shitpost didn't mean I gave any form of permission for being tamed. Hell since I'm not even in the auths team I didn't even know any circumstances for said character.
I just saw Xen Creature #58375 and shitposted something mentioning Xen Creature #27414.
anyways thats all from me

I added that as I thought that meant staff were okay with it, but I guess not then.
Also thanks @Hiros

 

[Vewoth]

No! Not 'Dog'! I gave you a stimpak earlier today for your wounds after we fed you toast! Can confirm that he did not make any attempt to be tamed then, just the nature of the RP interaction. Anyway that's the value I hope to bring to the thread to support your argument that you didn't intentionally tame later if you did. Certainly didn't have that mentality yesterday, just good RP.

PS. I love your Houndeye Doggo.

 

[Donavin Jones]

Also just a FYI, I'm fine with people posting in this to add their opinions on this.

 

[Kaffee]

You were accepted and trusted with your auth on the basis that you had to get authorisation to get tamed.



Not long after Goose resigned, you broke the rules of your auth, by going and getting tamed as your houndeye.

Not only did you not bother to contact anyone from the auth team, you also didn’t even bother to contact a member of staff to verify this being allowed, completely avoiding the circumstances given to you.

After discussing this with various members of the staff team, including Goose, who is still part of the community, we decided to revoke the auth, as you clearly broke a rule given to you as part of your TRIAL. Which we have every right to do.

 

[The_Grass_Man]

Y'all gotta take a chill pill and hold hands, people commit mistakes and allat. Also damn, breach of contract on a HL2RP is crazy

 

[Donavin Jones]

Not long after Goose resigned, you broke the rules of your auth, by going and getting tamed as your houndeye.

Not only did you not bother to contact anyone from the auth team, you also didn’t even bother to contact a member of staff to verify this being allowed, completely avoiding the circumstances given to you.

After discussing this with various members of the staff team, including Goose, who is still part of the community, we decided to revoke the auth, as you clearly broke a rule given to you as part of your TRIAL. Which we have every right to do.

I'll mention the two things I said before.

goose had left char auth and staff team. At first, I thought he left the community (which he didn't, and thats on me sort of.) so I didn't think to bother him about it.

Now, I had also taken a good break from willard about a good 2 weeks after I was accepted(this is important), and then willard had the christmas break. So I naturally just forgot about the terms goose gave me, which is to DM him about being tamed

Now, YES I did break those rules. But, I'll say again.
Most of the stuff RP'd, and with others. Is going to be removed, and not only that. That is a lot of RP and Time gone to the gutter, and instead of doing a compromise like "Hey, you didn't tell us about being tamed. However, its clear its having a positive impact on many of the players you've interacted with. However, we will have to ask you to be more hostile to other players instead of being docile. Please contact us when you want to be fully docile." And I'd like to think staff and char auths team would believe I'd do this, same with Goose.

Y'all gotta take a chill pill and hold hands, people commit mistakes and allat. Also damn, breach of contract on a HL2RP is crazy

Also a good point, (idk if its sarcasm at the end or if its serious, knowing grass its probably sarcastic) to out right remove a good chunk of RP, all over a pretty small mistake which turned out to be positive for the community. To me, and I'd like to think for others that see this. A bit petty.

 

[The_Grass_Man]

Also a good point, (idk if its sarcasm at the end or if its serious, knowing grass its probably sarcastic) to out right remove a good chunk of RP, all over a pretty small mistake which turned out to be positive for the community. To me, and I'd like to think for others that see this. A bit petty.

Nah bro I was being fr, this a stupid ass game how u gon breach a contract

 

[Donavin Jones]

Nah bro I was being fr, this a stupid ass game how u gon breach a contract

Man, 2 week break + however long the Christmas break was I just forgot man

 

[Kaffee]

Having done a little bit of RP as your tamed houndeye is not a valid reason for this to be reversed. All that shows is “Oh, I can actually alter the rules given to me, but as long as I do some RP it’s ok.”

 

[Kaffee]

Man, 2 week break + however long the Christmas break was I just forgot man

 

[Kaffee]

Nah bro I was being fr, this a stupid ass game how u gon breach a contract

bad choice of words rlly

 

[Kaffee]

You were on a Trial, you broke a rule, you didn’t get through the trial, it’s that simple really

 

[Donavin Jones]

Having done a little bit of RP as your tamed houndeye is not a valid reason for this to be reversed. All that shows is “Oh, I can actually alter the rules given to me, but as long as I do some RP it’s ok.”

Fair point at the start, but at the end is not what I'm implying in the littlest of regard. I don't see how me making this is trying to Alter the Rules.

but a staff member Asimo even commented this rather positively. So I naturally thought "Oh, staff like it. That's awesome, I'll be sure to play him more." In the char bio, it even SHOWS its tamed

You were on a Trial, you broke a rule, you didn’t get through the trial, it’s that simple really

I 'guess' this is a fair argument, its just super sad and fucked up all over the simplest mistake yet.
I'd like to at least wait to see what Omega, MMan, and Melonheadzzz would like to say before a choice is made. Especially Liam, and Goose.
I still want char auth teams and staff to at least consider the following

"Hey, you didn't tell us about being tamed. However, its clear its having a positive impact on many of the players you've interacted with. However, we will have to ask you to be more hostile to other players instead of being docile. Please contact us when you want to be fully docile.

 

[Goose]

It doesn't matter that 'all the rp of this character' is being removed. I approved the auth, and you couldn't have been tamed without approval from the auths team. I gave them my opinion on the situation, which was to remove it for breaking the rules. I never wanted you to become a pet, and it wasn't my decision after I stepped down. However, going behind their backs is what got it removed.

There's no admin abuse, this is just blatantly being butt-hurt you got caught trying to be sneaky. Should've thought about that before doing so..


You even asked for confirmation in DM's the day you got your application accepted. You knew better.

 

[M!NT]

Someone stepping away from Staff is not an excuse to be able to selectively void anything they've ever said.

If I were to write the rules, then I were to step away from my role, would that mean that the rules don't apply? Of course not.

Having RPd this character incorrectly for a length of time is also not an excuse. I don't care how many people RPd with your houndeye character, it is impossible and makes zero sense, so it has to be unraveled.

Goose clearly drew a line in the sand and said you cannot tame a wild Alien beast that has zero ability to connect with humans. I think a houndeye whitelist in general is a goofy idea. IT IS NOT A CHARACTER. It does not have intelligence. It sees humans as aliens, and its only motivation is to either fight them to the death, or run and hide.

I'm sure someone who actually played the game will make the connection to Kleiner's pet headcrab Lamarr. Fun fact, that headcrab has had it's 'beaks' surgically removed, which makes it impossible for it to actually couple to one's head. Despite this, whenever the headcrab is near humans, it still attempts to attack them or run away. It shows absolutely zero signs of domestication, because it is impossible.

There are some whitelists that people get on for fun from time to time, but they have the same line in the sand: no taming, no social or emotional connections, and no development. Why? Because this is a serious roleplay server that is based on immersion, and it totally breaks people's suspension of disbelief when they see an alien act like a dog.

If I were to get on my headcrab WL and RP becoming friends with some random slummer, my WL would be removed and the RP would be voided. That is how it works, those are the rules. It doesn't matter how 'good' the RP is or how much of it was done.

You might think its fun, and some of the other players might, but for the remaining 95% of the playerbase it is ridiculous. That is why it all has to be voided.

The reason why I believe you should be removed from the whitelist is because you've clearly displayed that:

1. You do not understand how to play Xenian characters; their purpose, their limits, etc
2. You are willing to knowingly disobey the auth team which told you not to do this
3. Typically, a player is removed from the WL if this happens: Ex, headcrab whitelist states:

While you may occasionally appear docile, tamed Headcrabs are not allowed unless otherwise approved via an Auth Application.
Please remember, that even though this is a donation, breaking these rules could warrant a de-whitelist; if the rules are contiously broken, the Headcrab whitelist will be locked behind an application.