The Civil Protection De-WL, and the Greater Willard Problem

[Omega]

Hello anyone who’s reading! For quick context; I had been dewhitelisted due to toxicity. While I admit my criticisms could have been worded and presented better and more constructively, I don’t think it was presented in a toxic way. In fact, I had been dewhitelisted based purely off of word of mouth, and the one shitty /me I did when I just gave up (no excuse, just explaining).


I can understand being put into a difficult situation where your admins say one thing, however without even speaking to me I get dewhitelisted and removed from the Discord. My only notification I was removed being a ping from Hoki when I woke up, when I clicked the notification on my phone, I just see nothing as I had already been removed from the Discord. This isn’t a report against Hoki, in fact he seemed very willing to help me and look into the logs. However, the fact he didn’t look first I think highlights a larger issue with Willard of people (including other staff) taking staff’s word as law without looking into it themselves.

Last night, I had complaints about an event/prelude to one, that lead to a character’s death. This character’s death I accept and never had any intention of appealing it, however I still was not a fan of how exactly the event was conducted. As stated earlier, I’m aware I could and should have presented these complaints in a better and more obvious light, however that does not excuse the conduct of Sachimii and others. Throughout the interactions, Willum was the only one having a real discussion while everyone including Sachimii had just been dog piling on me. When everyone was insulting me and I would respond back, Sachi would only mute me, despite me only doing so defensively. Not the people actually starting the confrontation. Once again, I’d like to commend Willum on actually being willing to talk to me and discuss the issue rather than just going straight to insults and timing me out. Though I may not be happy with how the event was conducted, I’m happy at least one person on the team was willing to talk rather than just instantly shitting on me and giving only myself a timeout.

 

[Donavin Jones]

Ngl, rather immature of staff and FL to act like this. To say in all caps 'PLEASE STOP COPING' to a player who lost a CP is not cool.

 

[Omega]

Ngl, rather immature of staff and FL to act like this. To say in all caps 'PLEASE STOP COPING' to a player who lost a CP is not cool.

I will say that the majority of the stop coping comments were made by players. However, they weren’t reprimanded and I’m the one who got timed out.

 

[The_Grass_Man]

Man, some of these mfs be tripping hard af. Fun how you got removed for toxicity and the people that were actually insulting and berating you got away. Willard on a whole other level man

 

[M3ntal]

I'm not related to this issue, but this is why I've lost love for the community. The majority of players are opportunists in the worst of times to make absolutely unfunny and un-needed quips for no rhyme or reason other than 'haha le funny', especially when serious concerns are brought up, which leads to a communication breakdown, and when the person on the receiving end expresses displeasure, it's seen as toxicity?

 

[Kamilisha Haijulikani]

I'm not related to this issue, but this is why I've lost love for the community. The majority of players are opportunists in the worst of times to make absolutely unfunny and un-needed quips for no rhyme or reason other than 'haha le funny', especially when serious concerns are brought up, which leads to a communication breakdown, and when the person on the receiving end expresses displeasure, it's seen as toxicity?

the word ur looking for is "facetious"

 

[ClapTrap]

I will say that the majority of the stop coping comments were made by players. However, they weren’t reprimanded and I’m the one who got timed out.

Two others who were fighting against you were timed out. Stop trying to manipulate the narrative.

 

[vilhjalmrf]

The reasoning for your de-whitelist is because you kept bringing IC matters into LOOC/OOC chats and start arguments over it. You were warned by staff to stop and you didn't. This isn't the first time as I've been told this happened two times before where you would argue in LOOC/OOC. I even advised you to speak to the head of staff, leads, or make an appeal on it to settle it there but you persisted.

I can understand your argument about some of the others that were just dog piling you, but to make it clear you weren't the only one that was timed out. 'HELIX-7' being that other person while the rest stopped once they were timed-out.

Ngl, rather immature of staff and FL to act like this. To say in all caps 'PLEASE STOP COPING' to a player who lost a CP is not cool.

And to clarify further, none of the Faction Leads had any part of that whole argument in those screenshots. It was only two staff member (myself and sachimii) and a few players.

Man, some of these mfs be tripping hard af. Fun how you got removed for toxicity and the people that were actually insulting and berating you got away. Willard on a whole other level man

If you want further clarification, I mentioned above that this isn't his first time he's displayed this behavior. He was given chances. And for persisting in that behavior he was removed. The ones who were dog-piling on him are just 'first timers' as far as I know and they've been warned. If they are to persist in the behavior like Omega did, they will be removed for it just like he was.

I'm not related to this issue, but this is why I've lost love for the community. The majority of players are opportunists in the worst of times to make absolutely unfunny and un-needed quips for no rhyme or reason other than 'haha le funny', especially when serious concerns are brought up, which leads to a communication breakdown, and when the person on the receiving end expresses displeasure, it's seen as toxicity?

I do agree that the response to his concern is not acceptable, but I don't think that gives him leeway to act similarly to the others or ignore warnings of staff. Especially considering that again, he was given chances and warned before.

 

[Omega]

Two others who were fighting against you were timed out. Stop trying to manipulate the narrative.

I’m not trying to manipulate anything, I’m giving my side of the story. I had seen them messaging in chat after I had been timed out each time.

And the fact you think I’m attempting to manipulate the narrative when I’m simply giving my side is a part of the problem. Too often staff are just willing to blow off a player or accuse them of lying, manipulating, etc. when an issue is being reported on.

 

[Omega]

you kept bringing IC matters into LOOC/OOC chats and start arguments over it

When I bring things into LOOC, it’s because I’m trying to get the understanding of something. My LOOC in game was two, maybe three, messages.

I even advised you to speak to the head of staff, leads, or make an appeal on it to settle it there but you persisted.

I had barely persisted. The things I had left were minor footnotes that I saw no reason to make an entire report for. As I said, I didn’t have an issue with the actual death, more so how the (prelude/pretext/precursor to the) event was handled as it was just two admin characters talking with no player interaction. Granted, your MCP character is a well established pre existing one, Sachi’s Rebel isn’t.

I had never been in a community where they outright say to not use the Discord as a place for complaints, and this is something I realize now.

I do agree that the response to his concern is not acceptable, but I don't think that gives him leeway to act similarly to the others or ignore warnings of staff

And you’re right, I shouldn’t have done that. However, the very staff that had warned me are the ones to do this very thing. It’s okay for staff, but as a player I get de-WL’d booted from the Discord, no chance to make a case for myself, nothing telling me except me waking up to the Discord no longer existing on my side menu. I don’t think it’s been handled well.

 

[ClapTrap]

Not to mention that these people were warned shortly after this confrontation. You, however, had already been warned and notified not even a few days ago that you were on your last leg due to some glaring issues that represented the faction poorly.

Your dewhitelist isn't solely due to toxicity, but also powergaming, poor roleplay, and CONSISTENT attempts at altering roleplay through PMs and LOOC chat when YOU are being ICly punished due to your own mistakes.

Various examples:


Toxicity

Toxicity + metabait + complaining in external chats because of IC punishments



Toxicity



Powergame



Complaining in external chats because of IC punishments



Powergame


You were given an absurd amount of leeway and chances to improve and adjust your conduct, both ICly and OOCly, yet refused to do so. Your dewhitelist is completely justified.

As for the other users you posted in your screenshots, they were warned shortly after that whole ordeal and are being monitored just as you were prior to your dewhitelist. You can't play the victim card when you were vehemently aggressive in that chat and continuously fuel the flames by throwing back equally immature comments.

As for Sachimii's actions, that is for them to respond.

 

[vilhjalmrf]

When I bring things into LOOC, it’s because I’m trying to get the understanding of something. My LOOC in game was two, maybe three, messages.

The only three LOOC messages you've sent in-game. None of them display any attempt to ask about information to understand of anything. Your first, not an issue at all. So we can ignore it. Your second was just you complaining in the middle of RP. Your third was just 'clarifying' to me what your next action was after the fact that I performed my action of deservicing your character.

I had barely persisted. The things I had left were minor footnotes that I saw no reason to make an entire report for. As I said, I didn’t have an issue with the actual death, more so how the (prelude/pretext/precursor to the) event was handled as it was just two admin characters talking with no player interaction. Granted, your MCP character is a well established pre existing one, Sachi’s Rebel isn’t.

The whole reason a MCP character was speaking to the rebel is because the rebel had mentioned a deal along with info (this deal is to lead to an event I assume but I have no idea what the admin was actually planning). The only one who can promise or accept a deal that she mentioned is a Rank Leader or higher (MCP, Captain, Overseer), which is why it was mostly just me and them talking.

I had never been in a community where they outright say to not use the Discord as a place for complaints, and this is something I realize now.

I like to clarify that isn't exactly the case. But we have HOS, Leads, appeals, DMs, and other complaint threads for a reason. They are there because usually in a public discord chat debate they don't end well.

And you’re right, I shouldn’t have done that. However, the very staff that had warned me are the ones to do this very thing. It’s okay for staff, but as a player I get de-WL’d booted from the Discord, no chance to make a case for myself, nothing telling me except me waking up to the Discord no longer existing on my side menu. I don’t think it’s been handled well.

Which is why I encouraged you to contact NIXeighteen (Head of Staff) regarding staff and to contact leads regarding your dewhitelist.

 

[Omega]

Powergame

Didn’t realize me responding to your punch you said I could block if I was quick enough was powergame. I’ll just make sure not to respond, next time.

Complaining in external chats because of IC punishments

Me DMing you because I’m confused about a situation is complaining, got it. I’ll make sure to not contact staff if I’m confused with anything.

Toxicity + metabait + complaining in external chats because of IC punishments

I don’t think people need to hear more about what happened to me in City 51, but I was told to contact Kaffee about the situation. Plus, I feel like most people agree what happened with ZHANSHI-1 was kinda BS.

Powergame

Kek.

Toxicity

If calling someone a retard is toxicity, no one would be here.

 

[Taliazure]

If calling someone a retard is toxicity, no one would be here.

Funny cause last time i can recall i heard you in a VC calling a member of the staff retard, among other stuff. Shit talking a member of the staff along with other 2 plays.
quite the hipocrisy huh?

 

[Omega]

Your first, not an issue at all. So we can ignore it.

Fair enough

Your second was just you complaining in the middle of RP.

Also, fair enough. I was complaining, and I didn’t want to be there, hence the infamous shitty /me of me not reacting to a gunshot.

The whole reason a MCP character was speaking to the rebel is because the rebel had mentioned a deal along with info (this deal is to lead to an event I assume but I have no idea what the admin was actually planning). The only one who can promise or accept a deal that she mentioned is a Rank Leader or higher (MCP, Captain, Overseer), which is why it was mostly just me and them talking.

I get the line of thought, and it’s 100% understandable. My main thing is how player involvement was zero. We did the work, and when it got to the fun part which is questioning and interrogating, we just get sent off.

But we have HOS, Leads, appeals, DMs, and other complaint threads for a reason

If I go to DMs, I’m toxic. If I go to public chats, I’m toxic. Kinda stuck, here and have had staff tell me not to DM them.

Which is why I encouraged you to contact NIXeighteen (Head of Staff) regarding staff and to contact leads regarding your dewhitelist.

Well, here I am.

Funny cause last time i can recall i heard you in a VC calling a member of the staff retard, among other stuff. Shit talking a member of the staff along with other 2 plays.
quite the hipocrisy huh?

You misunderstood, I believe we should be able to call people retard without being seen as toxic. Many staff and players have done and continue to do this, however I’m the only one who gets reprimanded.

 

[The_Grass_Man]

I believe we should be able to call people retard without being seen as toxic

Bro I think you're cool and all that stuff, but damn. Not this that shit is a slur

 

[TheGoodHunter]

imma be honest, this is another situation of a "two sides of the coin" here.

1. other staff members involved could've acted more professionally while handling the situation. telling someone to "cope" or saying things similar isn't bad at all, though Willum is a prime example of how a staff member should act. furthermore, all i see in the screenshots besides Willum is just shitposting and dogpiling. i get that the person shitposting isn't a staff member, though they didn't make the situation any better.

2. you did break a few rules from what i can tell, including powergaming and being toxic. i get that the terms you used are common on garry's mod, though they are not welcome in Willard. calling someone a retard and a fag in a serious rp community is not a good look for you.

in my very honest opinion, you're in the wrong here. you deserve the dewhitelist and im genuinely surprised that further moderation hasn't taken place, especially since you clashed against a few staff members and got removed from a faction for acting the way you did. you got your chances and you ignored them, so im not surprised that this happened. maybe if you improve the way you rp on the main server, you may potentially be able to come back to the faction if you're recognized to be improving.

 

[Donavin Jones]

I believe we should be able to call people retard without being seen as toxic.

I mean, if you said this like a year and a half ago everyone would agree.

 

[Omega]

Bro I think you're cool and all that stuff, but damn. Not this that shit is a slur

calling someone a retard and a fag in a serious rp community is not a good look for you.

Then have the same standard, kek.
I will say though, I haven’t used fag since I got that warning almost two months ago.

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I mean, if you said this like a year and a half ago everyone would agree.

im genuinely surprised that further moderation hasn't taken place, especially since you clashed against a few staff members and got removed from a faction for acting the way you did

Admins and staff act the way I do a good bit, and get nothing but a slap on the wrist, if even that. Meanwhile I have to apologize, and when I do I still get it tossed on me a month or two after I’ve already apologized and resolved it.

 

[Donavin Jones]

I stand corrected