Obligatory OTA complaint thread (the sequel)

[Hiros]

So basically what you are saying is that OTA circlejerk behind closed doors with their “suppressed” emotions or whatever the hell you mean. Then act like NPCs in public. I don’t take the OTA NPC thing out of my ass considering whenever they “guard” something or escort someone outside the nexus it consists of shooting the guard next to anyone who gets close and spitting out some VC.

Sounds like a you problem, cope?

OTA is not your friend, not your beer buddy. They're created to be death machines, something that humans can't do.

Their duty comes over the emotions and such.

Yet again complaining for the sake of complaining. Unfortunate

 

[Hiros]

Balancing should be centered around rebels Vs. CPs, not rebels versus OTA... because OTA are just an OOC tool to keep the scales tipped in combine favor so there isn't an uprising every 5 days.

There wasn't sweep for good 4 or so months even though CPs were getting shot and killed.

There is limit you can do that warrants OTA presence. In short if. You are poking Overwatch with needle for too long they will respond.

The sweeps are caused by actions and giving rebels a Lee way doesn't make sense.

Geneva is the loyalist city. Legit Summit 24 is around so Overwatch will definetly be more active in this area than some butt fuck other city.

 

[Kappatalist]

Sounds like a you problem, cope?

Grow up lol

Sweep was justified imo, but people are starting to question OTA's role and that's more than valid. They don't actually provide anything outside of power balance and events. (Unless a CA fancies a new jacket then of course, mobilise a brigade to take them to o'hairs)

 

[Hiros]

Grow up lol

Sweep was justified imo, but people are starting to question OTA's role and that's more than valid. They don't actually provide anything outside of power balance and events. (Unless a CA fancies a new jacket then of course, mobilise a brigade to take them to o'hairs)

Oh no, another "remove ota thread" incoming.

 

[Kappatalist]

Oh no, another "remove ota thread" incoming.

Nobodys saying that, but you're just being ignorant.

 

[Hiros]

Nobodys saying that, but you're just being ignorant.

I'm not ignorant. These "concerns" are repeating every time OTA sweeps or does something. It's tiring to see the same complaint 10000th time in a row.

Role of OTA is

1) Balancing Force
2) Guarding Force
3) End-Game enemy
4) Event enemy
5) Ambience effect
6) Actual non-corrupt, non-biased soldier of the benefactors, so to say a propaganda tool

Occasionally we can do infestation controls and so on.

Giving OTA more roles would take away stuff from CPs or any other faction and we are trying to prevent that. OTA is meant to be something that brings fear to rebelion with how efficient they are.

 

[Aizer]

In my humble opinion the main problem here is that the OTA exists as a balancing force towards the powerful rebel groups which dwell among us. To remind us all that there's a reason why we live in fear of the Combine

But in reality, the OTA mainly beats up the poor malnourished lads who just joined the server for the first time and if they're lucky, they may get a guy who grinded his ass off to get a rifle (albeit no tears shed on my side, as I consider grinding in an rp game to be missing the point)

In this thread, folk are asking a whole lot of question when I believe only one is needed.

Those who raided CP-1, did any of them get shot? Did anyone from these actual rebel groups which are well armed get the short end of the stick?

Due the position I occupy in the slums, I know most people who hang there and have a good grasp on who's a wiseguy and who is not. From what it looked to me, no actual important piece was taken down which I believe is the main source of frustration

Now. How do we fix this? No fucking clue, what the OTA does and is is a conversation that we've been having since LP. And I really have nothing to add as when my previous attempts were stablished, they honestly failed. Now after 8 years I think I'm none the wiser

All I know, to minimise drama, newbies need to feel more integrated into rebel rp if they're going to get shot all the same

Just my two social credits

 

[Hiros]

In my humble opinion the main problem here is that the OTA exists as a balancing force towards the powerful rebel groups which dwell among us. To remind us all that there's a reason why we live in fear of the Combine

But in reality, the OTA mainly beats up the poor malnourished lads who just joined the server for the first time and if they're lucky, they may get a guy who grinded his ass off to get a rifle (albeit no tears shed on my side, as I consider grinding in an rp game to be missing the point)

In this thread, folk are asking a whole lot of question when I believe only one is needed.

Those who raided CP-1, did any of them get shot? Did anyone from these actual rebel groups which are well armed get the short end of the stick?

Due the position I occupy in the slums, I know most people who hang there and have a good grasp on who's a wiseguy and who is not. From what it looked to me, no actual important piece was taken down which I believe is the main source of frustration

Now. How do we fix this? No fucking clue, what the OTA does and is is a conversation that we've been having since LP. And I really have nothing to add as when my previous attempts were stablished, they honestly failed. Now after 8 years I think I'm none the wiser

All I know, to minimise drama, newbies need to feel more integrated into rebel rp if they're going to get shot all the same

Just my two social credits

I honestly think your case was just really unlucky case.

People who were wanted by the Overwatch got PKd. We don't know who is new or not and the thing is OTA sweeps are actually rare as hell

 

[Aizer]

I honestly think your case was just really unlucky case.

People who were wanted by the Overwatch got PKd. We don't know who is new or not and the thing is OTA sweeps are actually rare as hell

Ah I had no case, I avoided it unscathed. I'm a survivor, a hustler, a money engineer.

I was mostly speaking for the various customers I've lost in these unfortunate events

 

[Hiros]

Ah I had no case, I avoided it unscathed. I'm a survivor, a hustler, a money engineer.

I was mostly speaking for the various customers I've lost in these unfortunate events

Ah. I see

 

[Moon]

Offloading OTA duties onto CP's sounds great until you realise a very big chunk of this server's rebel playerbase defaults to ripping into them for "destroying roleplay/developed characters/breaking fear rp/being non-characters/being a shit faction" the moment they're upset over a sweep, search, arrest, etc.

I'm not even trying to be snide but if they're sweeping then you aren't going to get deep and complex roleplay with them regardless even if it was all done by cops; the chances of the average unit being captured and allowed to go rogue vs either being murdered in a sweep or getting shit for shooting rebels is basically nil.

The faction doesn't need the extra weight (read: shit) of also being a tool to restore the balance of things that OTA currently have.

okay, but they are doing the exact same thing to OTA. does it really matter who is getting heat on the forums/on discord/in looc? both factions are antagonistic toward both citizens and rebels alike; both factions should be able to handle criticism or backlash and i would hope that the cp player/leadership are capable of doing so.

why does that warrant such a large presence of OTA, exactly?

i would much prefer to see cops showing some fear RP, etc, and experiencing the anxiety of a sewer sweep. the encounter and potential firefight feels more human. with OTA (who we are clearly unable to render a consensus on whether they're human grunts or robotic killing machines) they are just there to kill rebels effectively and not really anything else.

CPs can certainly be adjusted to handle the pressure of extra or more dangerous sweeps. i'm not saying it can't be done badly (it can), but here I think it is a question of will rather than capability

Grunk is ultimately emotionally stunted (because he's an alien animal), and I certainly haven't had a chance to RP with him on my character. 95% of the server outside of the Resistance & Vorts haven't and won't, either. Does that then mean Grunk is pointless, adds nothing and that he doesn't roleplay just because I haven't directly seen it?

The same exact argument is thrown against OTA repeatedly as a "got'cha!".

But I wouldn't levy it against Grunk because that's nonsensical and stupid so I'm not going to levy it against people trying to fight the stigma that OTA don't do roleplay. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

there isn't some official faction of enemy aliens that has 36 active characters detracting rp from elsewhere. the closest thing are the headcrabs, who can't really perform any meaningful roleplay either (and can't even inflict damage as a matter of fact). i can promise you that if they were that prominent - or any alien sort of equivalent - then people would be complaining. this is not really an adequate comparison imo

if nobody is seeing the roleplay - and has no possibility of witnessing the roleplay outside of joining the faction themselves - then why is it happening? it's the same flawed reasoning that sees factions like the enclave implemented on FORP (im sure there are more examples); they look cool, carry big guns, but what do they really bring to the table for the average player?

i think someone mentioned rebels rping on their own as a counter argument, and sure it's kinda valid - but those rebels aren't always going to be doing that roleplay behind closed doors. i have encountered rebels as a citizen and there is plenty of worthwhile roleplay opportunity there. when am i ever going to get into the nexus' ota bunks and get to see the cool rp there allegedly going on? presumably never

 

[NaughtyNicholas]

Oh no, another "remove ota thread" incoming.

It’s frankly immature and hilarious that you are an OTA lead and an admin. Expect a staff complaint in the next coming days.

 

[Kaffee]

As for the rebels that got killed during the sweep, they honestly had it coming. Namely one of them was caught geared up in the slums while they were pointing an SMG at another. So like, don't be surprised.

If it is who I think it is, I’m glad they were killed. They were showing off so much it was bound to happen.

 

[Rabid]

okay, but they are doing the exact same thing to OTA. does it really matter who is getting heat on the forums/on discord/in looc? both factions are antagonistic toward both citizens and rebels alike; both factions should be able to handle criticism or backlash and i would hope that the cp player/leadership are capable of doing so.

why does that warrant such a large presence of OTA, exactly?

I mean this in the nicest way possible; WN has barely been open for just over half a year.

I've seen firsthand the long-term impacts of frustrated rebel players using the CP faction as punching bag, because invariably it not only turns into OOC viciousness against units for "ruining roleplay/being non-characters/being bad the server" as people are doing to OTA now but it is demoralizing and incredibly demotivating for the units themselves. Or, worse, units start displaying that viciousness back because they just stop caring.

No amount of character dev would justify the necessity for them to steamroll rebels for the sake of balance to the average player and it would end up in shitstorms. Cops already get enough shit for the basics of what they do, is there a real need to pile more on top?

CPs can certainly be adjusted to handle the pressure of extra or more dangerous sweeps. i'm not saying it can't be done badly (it can), but here I think it is a question of will rather than capability

As said above; they can but it'd be ruining their reputation to do it.

OTA work at doing it because people know that when they're deployed, they really are a balance tool. You can't throw the same accusations at them as you can CP's in the same circumstances. They also have an intimidation factor. I've outright been told how a lot of rebels will pick fights with cops because its cops. Do they do the same to OTA? Not really, and that's good.

there isn't some official faction of enemy aliens that has 36 active characters detracting rp from elsewhere.

But are there 36 OTA flagged up at once all day every day? Apparently the last sweep OTA did before the other day was 4+ months ago. Sure, some OTA flag up to guard CA's and escort but can we really honestly say the reason the streets sometimes look barren is because of OTA?

I think the issue to me here is people are acting like OTA are flagged up 24/7 and massively detracting from the server or something. Its valid to want to pass things to cops, even if I don't agree, but acting like they're not needed at all is a little silly.

 

[TrueNorthStronk]

But are there 36 OTA flagged up at once all day every day? Apparently the last sweep OTA did before the other day was 4+ months ago. Sure, some OTA flag up to guard CA's and escort but can we really honestly say the reason the streets sometimes look barren is because of OTA?

I think the issue to me here is people are acting like OTA are flagged up 24/7 and massively detracting from the server or something. Its valid to want to pass things to cops, even if I don't agree, but acting like they're not needed at all is a little silly.

I think people tend to overexaggerate in complaint threads, a lot.

If there's any thing to complain about the OTA, it's not about how many people are on the roster. Even if there is a few OTA flagged up, I don't think they're detracting from rp because what you want to roleplay is up to you.

And yeah, sweeps like these aren't common at all. I think it's fair to argue whether or not you think it was justified, but these certainly don't happen all the time.

 

[Neonity]

You are extremely out of touch if you think streets are barren because OTA exists. There are specific faction rules in place that dictate there can only up to 2 OTA flagged on at once on blue sociostability. This number gradually increases via escalation and if something specific requires more than 2 OTA (escorts, sweeps).

The streets are not dead because the Nexus has 4 CCA (at most) and 2 OTA on. That's ridiculous.

 

[Hiros]

It’s frankly immature and hilarious that you are an OTA lead and an admin. Expect a staff complaint in the next coming days

Feel free to.

 

[Rabid]

I also want to point out that @The Milkman made a very good assessment in an earlier post.

It is very difficult to balance a fair-but-dangerous cop sweep to make rebels scarper when needed without simply throwing mass numbers at them and turning it into a massacre (because a lot of rebels are better equipped).

OTA are very easy to use and balance simply because they also have good gear and each of them can soak up quite a lot of bullets. The only caveat to doing so is that you have to have the mentality that not every battle is one that rebels have to win.

The streets are not dead because the Nexus has 4 CCA (at most) and 2 OTA on. That's ridiculous.

People are never going to admit what the actual reason is and always has been since the dawn of HL2RP because it is in relation to the faction that they enjoy playing lol - and it certainly isn't the fault of the 4 CCA and 2 OTA online at any given point.

 

[Hiros]

I also want to point out that @The Milkman made a very good assessment in an earlier post.

It is very difficult to balance a fair-but-dangerous cop sweep to make rebels scarper when needed without simply throwing mass numbers at them and turning it into a massacre (because a lot of rebels are better equipped).

OTA are very easy to use and balance simply because they also have good gear and each of them can soak up quite a lot of bullets. The only caveat to doing so is that you have to have the mentality that not every battle is one that rebels have to win.



People are never going to admit what the actual reason is and always has been since the dawn of HL2RP because it is in relation to the faction that they enjoy playing lol - and it certainly isn't the fault of the 4 CCA and 2 OTA online at any given point.

Thing is people like Nick are complaining for the sake of complaining and it's quite tiring to see such. At this point we can just post whatever response people will always find way to complain, talk shit and so on.

Also hello, long time no see with your posts.

 

[Hiros]

Sooo anyway. I will be closing this thread since original post was about sweep which was justified. Feel free to make another complaint thread if you want.

I will close it in 1 hour so some people can reply if they wish to.