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Clairifcation on Laws & Making them clear.

Alaenoor

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So far I've had stuff confiscated twice (both of which I was legally doing regarding current documentation:

First time was a week or so ago:

I was moving debris (raw materials) to the CWU building to recycle. I had about 60 items on me.
I told the CP I was planning on recycling them.

Had it all confiscated, and had Civil Points removed.

Penal Code in Train Station:
- Excessive amount of Waste or Raw Materials without intention of disposal.

I had 100% intention to dispose it all, I told them what I was doing, and I was walking directly towards the machines.

Second time was Today:


I was just casually walking towards the Ration Center, to see if it was open at that time (Rarely is, so gotta check often)
Got stopped. Told I was not allowed Bags, and had them confiscated.

Everything I can find regarding this is as follows:

Train Station, where 90% of players will find what they can, or cannot do / have:

- Any clothing article that conceals Identity, this does not include Surgical Masks.
They are Bags. Not identity concealing items.


- Excessive amount of Personal Belongings without intention of disposal.
A Small bag & a Large bag is excessive?


- Stealing Belongings and Possessing Luxury Items without having the necessary Tier.
As far as I can tell from the "Bartering" skill, Bags fall under "Tools and Storage" so not Luxury.

>> Underclass - Black Armband
Lower than/or 40 Social Credits

Cannot be hired in Work Unions, must wear a Jumpsuit at all times. 10C per Ration, along with Breen Water and Artificial Paste.

I am part of the "Underclass" with a Black Armband. I had my jumpsuit on, does not say you cannot wear bags.

What I can find on the forums:

Underclass - Black Armband
Requirements: 40 SC or below or Negative Cohesion points
Description: Both humans and biotics in this rank share a level of disdain from both the Combine and society. Seen as problematic individuals who cause no end of harm and issues, even they committed minor/low level offences. While still allowed to operate in the City, they would be hard-pressed to find any good positions or jobs within the Unions or Stores and have to undertake a level of additional oppression by being restricted access to certain parts of the City.

The Administration is kind enough to still pay them, allowing them to gain passive credits, just at a slashed rate.

Key Features / Changes:
- Reduced Wages
- Reduced Ration Quality
- Very likely to be used a batteries (Biotics)
- Low Tier janitorial work at best.
- No access to Union jobs
- Jumpsuit to be worn at all times, no access to any other clothing
- No access to Luxury Items

Again, Bags are not "Clothing" nor "Luxury" They are Storage. So this doesn't say it's not allowed.

SUPPORTER rank says:
- Can use Backpacks and Bags (Biotic)

Which only applies to Biotics.


Can we please get all this clarified, 'cause as it stands, the Civil Protection teams just seem to make shit up, to ruin the enjoyment of the server for people. I understand they are a "Restrictive government" and try their best to "Oppress the lower classes" but so far, both of these issues have flouted the current rules on the server, as they are presented to the public.
 
@Alaenoor infact you are right CPs will just toss random charages at you or be super depressive to deal with. Even if you are in the right they'll still find a way to fuck you over. Welcome to willard is all i can say
 
Hello, I'm one of the Overwatch Forces Leads that handles the day to day for Civil Protection. Some of the articles you're talking about are intended mechanics. The laws are not meant to be understood by the citizens, as a reminder, this is a city, repurposed into essentially a large, open air prison.

However, your mention about a combine player confinscating your "Bags" as contraband, are concerning. And I'd like you to expand on the content of the bags. If you have any way to identify the officer that removed the bags, I'd be happy to inquire on this for you.

Empty bags on their own are simply storage. If they're used in a way that host a ton of contraband, the entire bag may be confiscated in order to save space and time.
 
Hello, I'm one of the Overwatch Forces Leads that handles the day to day for Civil Protection. Some of the articles you're talking about are intended mechanics. The laws are not meant to be understood by the citizens, as a reminder, this is a city, repurposed into essentially a large, open air prison.

However, your mention about a combine player confinscating your "Bags" as contraband, are concerning. And I'd like you to expand on the content of the bags. If you have any way to identify the officer that removed the bags, I'd be happy to inquire on this for you.

Empty bags on their own are simply storage. If they're used in a way that host a ton of contraband, the entire bag may be confiscated in order to save space and time.

The Bags were completely empty.
I don't have their name I'm afraid. Just the logs, which I'll include, with a screenshot to show no doctoring of logs.

Player Dizerta left the game (Disconnect by user.)
Civil Protection Unit says "<:: Hold it! ::>"
[LOOC] Allison Shouna, 70945: Why always me..
Allison Shouna, 70945 says "Yes, Officer?"
Civil Protection Unit says (to you) "<:: Allison Shouna? ::>"
Allison Shouna, 70945 says "Yes."
Civil Protection Unit says (to you) "<:: Fascinating. ::>"
Civil Protection Unit says (to you) "<:: Were you arrested recently? ::>"
Allison Shouna, 70945 says "No."
Civil Protection Unit says (to you) "<:: Did you lose a CID recently? ::>"
Player Dizerta has joined the game

[ERROR] gamemodes/ixhl2rp/plugins/anoncombine/cl_hooks.lua:31: attempt to call method 'GetRow' (a nil value)
1. unknown - gamemodes/ixhl2rp/plugins/anoncombine/cl_hooks.lua:31

Timer Failed! [Simple][@gamemodes/ixhl2rp/plugins/anoncombine/cl_hooks.lua (line 30)]
Allison Shouna, 70945 says "I did, That has all been sorted."
[LOOC] Allison Shouna, 70945: It was lost via gmod physics, restored by admin, but wasn't activated.
Civil Protection Unit says (to you) "<:: I see. ::>"
Civil Protection Unit says (to you) "<:: Were you *also* aware that you aren't permitted to own those bags? ::>"
Allison Shouna, 70945 says "From what I've read of the laws, I am permitted to have bags, but not non-jumpsuit clothing."
Civil Protection Unit speaks into her radio: "<:: Engaged in 11-94 with 647d 7-0-9-4-5, IP-23. ::>"
Civil Protection Unit says (to you) "<:: That's incorrect. Go ahead and assume an inspection-position for me. ::>"
*** Allison Shouna, 70945 rolls her eyes and faces the wall.
[LOOC] Allison Shouna, 70945: Every day, some CP finds a reason to search me, by making shit up.. It's getting annoying.
[LOOC] Civil Protection Unit: it's not made up
[LOOC] Allison Shouna, 70945: uhhuh.
*** Civil Protection Unit reaches out, searching the woman's pockets and bags for anything of interest.
Civil Protection Unit says (to you) "<:: You aren't even using the bags. ::>"
Player Garratz left the game (Disconnect by user.)
Civil Protection Unit says "<:: Excu- ::>"
Civil Protection Unit says (to you) "<:: Take 'em off. ::>"
*** Civil Protection Unit motions "Back"
Civil Protection Unit says (to you) "<:: Drop 'em. ::>"
Civil Protection Unit speaks into his radio: "<:: PT-5 fractured. ::>"
Civil Protection Unit speaks into her radio: "<:: 11-42 that 11-94. ::>"
Player ELSIDA left the game (Disconnect by user.)
Civil Protection Unit says (to you) "<:: Consider this your first and only warning. No bags. Nothing other than that jumpsuit. You got it? ::>"
Civil Protection Unit says (to you) "<:: And- ::>"
Allison Shouna, 70945 says "Ok."
Civil Protection Unit says "<:: Does the beanie count too? ::>"
Civil Protection Unit says "<:: Sir? ::>"
Civil Protection Unit says "<:: Nope. ::>"
Civil Protection Unit says "<:: Roger that. ::>"
Unknown, 78013 says "Bird."
Civil Protection Unit says (to you) "<:: Alright; you can go. ::>"



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I've investigated both the player, the guidelines, and the rules, and discovered that the civil protection side is within regard of regulation.

I can only imagine how frustrating this is for you, underclass living, the man's trying to hold you down!

But, I hate to say, it is an IC issue, and the rules are designed to be unclear to make you angry and to stir up drama.

This is not GTA world. This is Half Life 2. Here? It's a game about being difficult to survive. I ever so respectfully encourage you to take your IC frustrations in the game. And If I were you? I'd shoot that cop right in the back of the head the next time you get. Maybe then they'll think twice before jackin' your bags!

Good luck to you bro. You are playing the hardest way there is to play on these streets. Underclass life is a tough one.

[ See song "Stressed" by Continental Five ]
 
The laws are not meant to be understood by the citizens
They've been publicly listed since 2023 and rather dutifully kept up to date.
The version on the Info Board (for which I wrote all of the materials) is slightly cut down solely due to spacing issues, but all of the laws (with their Index Numbers) have been public knowledge for a long time.

Anyway, from the logs, it really seems like an OOC misunderstanding of the Underclass' "Jumpsuit only" rule. The reason why I think that's the case is the "It's not made up" comment in LOOC - if you were stealing someone's stuff as a Cop you'd probably let them know, since that follows separate rules from contraband retrieval. This is pretty important since the Small and Large Bags combined (in stock price) might make for more than the 250 Credit limit on stealing.
 
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"My dystopian government isn't functioning in a way that secures my rights or treats me fairly!"

Unfortunately, many such cases.

Arguably I'd want even more stupid bureaucracy for everyone to rules lawyer about (IC) because it's both a weakness and a strength (IC) that makes the combine work better in regards to RP(OOC).
 
Arguably I'd want even more stupid bureaucracy for everyone to rules lawyer about (IC) because it's both a weakness and a strength (IC) that makes the combine work better in regards to RP(OOC).
You just get ignored every time, even if you're right. Backed up by dystopian suffering.
 
Ehh I get the whole oppression thing but if you’re helping the combine in a way such as giving trash removing them shouldn’t be a thing
 
Ehh I get the whole oppression thing but if you’re helping the combine in a way such as giving trash removing them shouldn’t be a thing

Oh Atom... so naive... a typical response from someone who's not concerned about getting shanked in the neck on a daily basis.

You see, trash, metals, cans, what do I see? Potential shivs. Knives. This is a prison sir. And all that garbage you got? That's an unrealized weapon...

Trash mongering a gateway crime. First, you start off just hugging around a few loads of trash. Then you're making a shank, then before you know it, you're on drugs and rigging bombs to blow off.

We have your best interest. Don't you see? We're trying to save you before you divulge into rebel filth. Hand us your trash and your money, it's in better hands with us.
 
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