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Community Meeting Aftermath Resolutions

Omega said:
Bro I don’t remember them :(. I’ve always said I can never remember the names of communities I’ve been in.
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I mean it doesn't really help you in a constructive argument if you can't list your sources
 
Instead of a whitelist show me people who wanna play on the server and I'll see if they're fit to play ong 💪
 
I've tried to word this 200 different ways so I may as well say it; @Omega and everyone else who is skeptical of this whitelist has every reason to be.

Whitelists work when there's actual hype to join a server and you have people fighting for spots otherwise so you want to keep a consistent experience. WN's first launch in 2021 had that in spades with 6+ active devs, a playerbase built of high quality roleplayers at the core and a brand new experience (supposedly).

WN 2023 has one active and overworked dev, a playerbase built up primarily of semi-serious refugees and an experience that has proven itself no different than any other community when you get past the script work. There is no new hype, there is no constant influx of good quality players.

Gmod's SeriousRP scene is a slowly dying; the days of getting 100 slots casually are long dead. You cater to what you have and hope you can attract new players to you to keep new ideas coming in.

There's already been the admission that a whitelist will cause a contraction of players and the idea that WN can afford to be picky at all is fantasty.
 
Rabid said:
I've tried to word this 200 different ways so I may as well say it; @Omega and everyone else who is skeptical of this whitelist has every reason to be.

Whitelists work when there's actual hype to join a server and you have people fighting for spots otherwise so you want to keep a consistent experience. WN's first launch in 2021 had that in spades with 6+ active devs, a playerbase built of high quality roleplayers at the core and a brand new experience (supposedly).

WN 2023 has one active and overworked dev, a playerbase built up primarily of semi-serious refugees and an experience that has proven itself no different than any other community when you get past the script work. There is no new hype, there is no constant influx of good quality players.

Gmod's SeriousRP scene is a slowly dying; the days of getting 100 slots casually are long dead. You cater to what you have and hope you can attract new players to you to keep new ideas coming in.

There's already been the admission that a whitelist will cause a contraction of players and the idea that WN can afford to be picky at all is fantasty.
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The future of hl2rp are Short stories and limited / few month events with a set story.
 
Rabid said:
I've tried to word this 200 different ways so I may as well say it; @Omega and everyone else who is skeptical of this whitelist has every reason to be.

Whitelists work when there's actual hype to join a server and you have people fighting for spots otherwise so you want to keep a consistent experience. WN's first launch in 2021 had that in spades with 6+ active devs, a playerbase built of high quality roleplayers at the core and a brand new experience (supposedly).

WN 2023 has one active and overworked dev, a playerbase built up primarily of semi-serious refugees and an experience that has proven itself no different than any other community when you get past the script work. There is no new hype, there is no constant influx of good quality players.

Gmod's SeriousRP scene is a slowly dying; the days of getting 100 slots casually are long dead. You cater to what you have and hope you can attract new players to you to keep new ideas coming in.

There's already been the admission that a whitelist will cause a contraction of players and the idea that WN can afford to be picky at all is fantasty.
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You can word it a million ways and they won't listen or care. It was decided upon long before the poll was even made. It'll go ahead and we'll probably have to walk it back once the damage has already been done.
 
At this point why delay the inevitable? Why not end V2 with us skipping to the uprising, OSF Bring the tanks in and let shit unravel I'm tired of slice of life rp I want the violence now.

Have the rebels fuck shit up, Let's go.
 
The_Grass_Man said:
Instead of a whitelist show me people who wanna play on the server and I'll see if they're fit to play ong 💪
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*Specialist Paolo Menta looks down at the important paperwork on his desk.

Character 1:
Name: Nathan Smith.
Backstory: Member of the resistance, has killed MULTIPLE OSF SOLDIERS.
Status: Application denied, OSF Strike Team dispatched.

Character 2:
Name: Corporal Ben Jones.
Backstory: Someone who joined the OSF a few years into the occupation. Has killed many resistance members and decked multiple Civil Protection officers for laughing at his employment in the OSF.
Status: BASED, application accepted, OSF Strike Team on hold for detection of a non-based individual.
 
Vewoth said:
*But*, I will say that WN is very clearly different than other seriousRP servers, and people who think WN is not seriousRP is saying to try and make the staff feel something or think something that could further their point. It is vastly superior, but alot of it depends on the individuals choosing to take it serious. If you just walked around the server and tried to serious rp with someone, 9/10 they'd get the message "Oh, this guy wants to seriousRP," and then it just happens.
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If WN whitelists I can guarantee you will see a significant drop in existing players (which has been admitted) and barely any to replace them - and even those who do join have absolutely no guarantee they'll be "good quality" which is why the entire thing reads like a hail mary.

Bearing in mind this is on top of a guaranteed wipe of characters and progress (which will push some people into not playing) that might not come for 6+ months, at which point who knows what the community will be like - but there certainly won't be a massive influx of new blood and high quality spilling in from anywhere, I can promise you that much.

The question that should be asked is if WN can survive these two things when they are put together.
 
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Rabid said:
The question that should be asked is if WN can survive these two things when they are put together.
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That is a good question which I don't think anyone is sure about.

For the most part, it seems experimental while at the same time not actually being a standard Whitelist system. Standard WL systems tend to be bloated, convoluted and seem to be on the lines of the Elitism some are afraid of. Not to mention the really long wait times to play is another thing some are concerned about.

But the only reason I would personally give it a go (And yes, I may have a fancy CT tag in my name, but not going to say this as staff, but purely as a player) is for the plain fact I probs sit on the optimistic side of things and would like to see what effect a WL would have to a community such as Willard. Sure the Community itself is not in its best state nor in a good one for that matter given people universally agree its a bit on the side of darkrp/semi-serious depending on what sorta types of players to run into. But I think many of the changes it suggests bringing thus far in terms of gameplay and improvements, I am willing to see if they can pull it off.

In the end, WN's whitelist system if it stays true to what has been promised is either the fastlane for pre-existing players for pasting a SteamID and done and your pretty much in after a quick check. And then the new player route of being asked to make a character before you are reviewed. That is effectively what the WL system is as promised thus far, just a case of moving character creation out of the server and allowing you to make your first char on the forums for a quick checkup to see if you at least know the basic essence of RP and its serious nature of making a unique character to play as.

Overall, think it will be a good and simple system with no forms, no confusing quizzes, nothing like the many other WL systems, and instead create your char, get reviewed and play sorta deal.

But we will see where the future takes the Community.
 
Robert said:
I probs sit on the optimistic side of things and would like to see what effect a WL would have to a community such as Willard.
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And I genuinely appreciate your honesty because at least you aren't ignoring the concerns.

Speaking personally if I knew:
  1. Most of my playerbase was built up of semi-serious players with no real investement beyond what they'd accumulated (and so the planned wipe would impact them one way or another).​
  2. We could no longer guarantee anywhere near the same sorts of hype or consistent speedy dev work as we had at launch in 2021.​
  3. We were facing competition from other up-and-coming projects and communities that drew hype and players.​
  4. We had no guarantee of drawing back our old playerbase, nevermind what few brand new people are searching for servers.​
I sure as hell wouldn't compound that and seal myself off behind a whitelist, no matter how easy it might be.

What people are forgetting is that those brand new players are probably looking for a server to join and engage with now - not in several hours time. If the average player surfing Gmod gets met with that they're liable to go and play something else and either forget about their request or just not come back in general.
 
Freudek said:
Ensuring that there aren't minges and bad players ruining the server is something staff should be doing, but instead we're
1. Forcing players who are actively trying to join to stop in their tracks and tab out
2. sign up for the forums with an email they may not be comfortable associating with willard in case of a data breach
3. search up their Steam community profile, and then go to a steam id converter, and then paste the information into an application format to join a garry's mod server
4. wait for however long it takes to get whitelisted (assuming they even do), and only then allow that player to roleplay on a server that is identical in every way to other roleplay servers that are running right now and aren't gatekeeping access like a bunch of elitists.

We're not exactly swimming in new players who haven't already been driven away, but after a change like this? say goodbye to seeing a new face in the city.

When you guys asked the community whether they wanted a whitelist, here's what they said.

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This will drive away so many new players.
Big mistake on admins part.
 
Most of the people expressing disapproval or who voted against having a whitelist are the same people I can’t imagine passing the whitelist in the first place.

Nothing of value lost.
 
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